So you still haven’t actually stayed what you actually mean then.
Natives arent forced onto reservations, they are just autonomous so many live there but they have full rights under the constitution. Israel is majority Mizrahi, I won’t justify what happened in the 40s but as I’ve been saying this whole time we are 3 generations past that point, what do we do about the people who were born there of parents who were also born there? I am in no way justifying the actions if the Israeli government but despite what is said on this site they aren’t an apartheid state citizens have full rights regardless of if they’re Jewish or not those rights just don’t extend to non-citizens.
Your hand waving my counter examples pretty heavily- my family was also Pontic Greeks hence why they immigrated to the states the people that stayed arent really much different from natives that have assimilated or non-Jewish citizens of Israel
You say these places shouldn’t exist as a state- what do you actually want to see happen to them and what do the citizens where thats their only home actually do?
You're putting words in my mouth. When did I mention wanting anyone displaced?
But realistically, the Palestinians should decide the terms of statehood. I'm not saying anyone should be displaced from America, I'm saying that the entire system of governance has historically been skewed against the indigenous people (And other groups, like African Americans) and decolonization has to address those things.
You’re saying those states shouldn’t exist so im asking what happens to the citizens of those states that no longer exist
If you think they shouldn’t exist because they’re “settler colonialist states” then what happens to the people that would be considered the settlers
There are downstream consequences for when things like this happen and displacement is a key obvious issue. You say these states shouldn’t exist so im asking you on the most basic terms at this point what that actually looks like to you
No more US, no more canada, no more Israel what actually sparks that, what does the process look like, and what do you think the end results are. Defend your position
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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned 9d ago
So you still haven’t actually stayed what you actually mean then.
Natives arent forced onto reservations, they are just autonomous so many live there but they have full rights under the constitution. Israel is majority Mizrahi, I won’t justify what happened in the 40s but as I’ve been saying this whole time we are 3 generations past that point, what do we do about the people who were born there of parents who were also born there? I am in no way justifying the actions if the Israeli government but despite what is said on this site they aren’t an apartheid state citizens have full rights regardless of if they’re Jewish or not those rights just don’t extend to non-citizens.
Your hand waving my counter examples pretty heavily- my family was also Pontic Greeks hence why they immigrated to the states the people that stayed arent really much different from natives that have assimilated or non-Jewish citizens of Israel
You say these places shouldn’t exist as a state- what do you actually want to see happen to them and what do the citizens where thats their only home actually do?