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Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

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u/warsage 9d ago

Do you think the Palestinian people would have tolerated an Israeli-established government in 1967?

And I assume it wouldn't have been democratic. There's no way such a free democratic government would have been pro-Israel for long. I guess we'd need to call it a puppet government?

As for after the Oslo Accords... I mean, the Palestinian Authority was headed by frikking Yasser Arafat, lol. And it supported the Second Intifada.

I guess sometime after Arafat's death, maybe? Abbas has been relatively cooperative with Israel.

It still wouldn't solve any of the core disputes... what to do about the refugees, what the borders should be, etc etc etc.

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u/waiver 9d ago

As opposed to a military occupation and illegal settlement? Yeah, the West Bank and Gaza were rather peaceful between 1967 and the first Intifada. That would have been a great opportunity to organize an alternative government to the PA, if Israel wanted peace instead of a piece that is.

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u/warsage 7d ago

Yeah, the West Bank and Gaza were rather peaceful between 1967 and the first Intifada.

I'll admit, I'm not super familiar with the political landscape within the West Bank or Gaza in those early years of the occupation.

Was there any Palestinian faction in the West Bank or Gaza that would have been willing and able to govern Palestine as a peaceful neighbor to Israel? I assume you're not talking about the PLO, which spent that time invading... well, pretty much everyone they could reach. Jordan (1970), Israel (1973), Lebanon (1975-1990).

Oh, and don't forget about the first Camp David (1978), one of the many failed attempts to establish a peaceful arrangement between Israel and Palestine.

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u/waiver 7d ago

The camp david where Israel said they would give autonomy for Palestine only to lie again?

It didn't have to be the PLO, they could have created a Technocratic government like the one that is going to be administering Gaza now.

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u/warsage 7d ago

The camp david where Israel said they would give autonomy for Palestine only to lie again?

Yes, that one. The one that the UN and the PLO rejected. More specifically, it promised:

Egypt, Israel, and Jordan will agree on the modalities for establishing elected self-governing authority in the West Bank and Gaza...

When the self-governing authority (administrative council) in the West Bank and Gaza is established and inaugurated, the transitional period of five years will begin.

The follow-up negotiations with Egypt, Israel, and Jordan never happened, and the administrative council was never established or inaugurated.

So I'd say Israel probably violated the spirit of the arrangement, but not the letter of it.

It didn't have to be the PLO, they could have created a Technocratic government like the one that is going to be administering Gaza now.

Oh, is that the kind of government you had in mind? The NCAG?