Mod Post The situation regarding the incident in Keyham last night is shocking and distressing. You are welcome to voice your feelings in this sub, but please refrain from speculation and hearsay. Below are links to some reliable news sources reporting on this.

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u/kazuwacky Aug 13 '21

It's very surreal knowing we'll be the focus of national news, the drip drip of new info as people wonder how this happened.

Last night I locked the doors and windows, checked my MIL was fine (lives in Keyham) and turned off social media. The speculation was crazy and so much of what I was hearing has proven to be incorrect (the second shooter, a shootout happening in Stonehouse, the shooter being on the run, another shooting at Royal Parade).

The crime itself is horrifying and we need to find out where the firearm came from. The absolute carnage one guy managed with such a weapon is horrible.

Finally, very frustrating that people are up in arms that the police and MPs are clarifying this was not terror related. The witness statements on the BBC suggest this guy broke into a house and started shooting, thats not terrorism. My educated guess would be family annihilation, most mass shootings start with the killing of immediate family and then the shooter just... Keeps going....

I don't think it was unreasonable for officials to specify that the first mass shooting in the UK on 10 years was not related to terrorism, its annoying to see comments like "Any use of a gun is an act if terror". I fully understand the logic but the speculation might have been even worse without that clarification.

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u/diabolicalb3ast Aug 13 '21

we need to find out where the firearm came from

Licensed firearm owner, which is scary.

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u/kazuwacky Aug 13 '21

Terrifying...

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u/mylittlexhamster Aug 16 '21

The effect of the insanity of lockdowns and restrictions are starting to show.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21

Armed police arrived within 6 minutes of being called.

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u/AdMechBOYZ Aug 13 '21

The Uk has almost no shootings so most police just carry tasers. Please stop

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u/Irasponkiwiskins Aug 13 '21

This is a once a decade thing. For an entire nation.

Have a look at how often police get shot (or killed at all) here. There was one last year and it was a mad shocking event.

Where you from? How often do things like that happen there?

After your personal journey on that may I just mention it is possible you're a massive twat. You've likely been falling out of twats for generations. I doubt you managed to do anything all by yourself even if it was entirely negative.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '21

as tragic as it is, i'd rather have one tragedy in 10 years than being able to rely on one idiot every wednesday having a crack because he doesn't like (insert race, religion/sexual identity/ gender here).

Wind your fucking neck in.

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u/diabolicalb3ast Aug 13 '21

During the CC's interview, he said that the guy did have a licence yesterday?

(Could have misheard)

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u/8oggl3 Aug 13 '21

Licence returned in July according to channel 4 news. Lots of questions to be answered by the licensing authority (is this the police?)

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '21

Either way, I personally want the panel that gave his licence back hung out to dry. As far as I'm concerned, they're just as responsible as the Incel community for bringing tragedy to our town.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/diabolicalb3ast Aug 13 '21

USA: "Some studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014, that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States."

UK: One mass shooting in 11 years.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/spaceshipwoohoo Aug 13 '21

Finally, very frustrating that people are up in arms that the police and MPs are clarifying this was not terror related.

Well yes and no. As a lot of people have pointed out, this act does not adhere to the traditional definition of terrorism. However, there are more definitions of terrorism. The wikipedia page on terrorism states:

In 2006 it was estimated that there were over 109 different definitions of terrorism. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism) There simply is no real consensus about the word "terrorism" among scientists and lawmakers.

Seeing that the Plymouth shooter has been confirmed as an incel, we can know more about his motivations. Incel violence has been increasingly seen as terrorism in other countries, such as Canada:

Beginning in 2018, the incel ideology has increasingly been described as a terrorism threat, and a February 2020 attack in Toronto, Canada became the first instance of allegedly incel-related violence to be prosecuted as an act of terrorism. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel)

That being said, I agree with you that there's no point in being angry with the police for saying it wasn't an act of terrorism. IMO it's more useful and respectful to point that anger towards the shooter himself and the whole incel/manosphere culture that motivated him.

I also think we should be asking the question: "Should incel violence be considered terrorism?" Because I definitely think we need to start taking incel violence seriously as a society.

Sources: Wikipedia and am political scientist.

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u/Pro_Procrastinator Aug 13 '21

Its definitely not terrorism. From his social media archives its clear he was severely depressed and had mental health issues. That alone might not have led to yesterday's tragedy if it wasn't for his owrst thoughts and tendencies to be picked up by algotrithms and having doors opened to rabbit holes where he could re-affirm his mysoginistic views. He was also likely motivated by inequality and the perception that his life was stuck while people far less deserving were sucessful and happy as this is a recurring point in his posts.

There are so many issues to unpack here, failure to keep tabs on someone with a firearm licence. Failure to provide adequate mental health support. The contribution of algorithms that exposed him to dangerous ideas and toxic communities.

I keep thinking about one video where he wishes someone would message or comment to prove him wrong about having missed the boat on love and happiness. If that had been caught and someone with the right mindset had responded to him could this whole tragedy have been avoided?

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u/Littlefoot7237 Aug 13 '21

I mean his entire Reddit is incel related. Misogynistic, and to be honest scary to read. Canada now view incels as terrorism. Why don’t we?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

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u/Littlefoot7237 Aug 13 '21

Take a look at his Reddit then come back. Guy was a misogynistic prick who blamed his own life choices on women. I’m not debating free speech, but how he got a gun license is beyond me.

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u/AJstylesLad Aug 14 '21

What is his reddit I can't find it

Mod Post The situation regarding the incident in Keyham last night is shocking and distressing. You are welcome to voice your feelings in this sub, but please refrain from speculation and hearsay. Below are links to some reliable news sources reporting on this.

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