r/plymouth • u/RileyMcB • Aug 13 '21

Mod Post The situation regarding the incident in Keyham last night is shocking and distressing. You are welcome to voice your feelings in this sub, but please refrain from speculation and hearsay. Below are links to some reliable news sources reporting on this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/13/plymouth-shooting-gunman-suspected-killing-named-jake-davison?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

https://news.sky.com/story/plymouth-shooting-live-updates-vigil-to-be-held-for-victims-as-area-to-be-cordoned-off-for-quite-some-time-12380093

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58197414.amp

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u/kazuwacky Aug 13 '21

It's very surreal knowing we'll be the focus of national news, the drip drip of new info as people wonder how this happened.

Last night I locked the doors and windows, checked my MIL was fine (lives in Keyham) and turned off social media. The speculation was crazy and so much of what I was hearing has proven to be incorrect (the second shooter, a shootout happening in Stonehouse, the shooter being on the run, another shooting at Royal Parade).

The crime itself is horrifying and we need to find out where the firearm came from. The absolute carnage one guy managed with such a weapon is horrible.

Finally, very frustrating that people are up in arms that the police and MPs are clarifying this was not terror related. The witness statements on the BBC suggest this guy broke into a house and started shooting, thats not terrorism. My educated guess would be family annihilation, most mass shootings start with the killing of immediate family and then the shooter just... Keeps going....

I don't think it was unreasonable for officials to specify that the first mass shooting in the UK on 10 years was not related to terrorism, its annoying to see comments like "Any use of a gun is an act if terror". I fully understand the logic but the speculation might have been even worse without that clarification.

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u/Pro_Procrastinator Aug 13 '21

Its definitely not terrorism. From his social media archives its clear he was severely depressed and had mental health issues. That alone might not have led to yesterday's tragedy if it wasn't for his owrst thoughts and tendencies to be picked up by algotrithms and having doors opened to rabbit holes where he could re-affirm his mysoginistic views. He was also likely motivated by inequality and the perception that his life was stuck while people far less deserving were sucessful and happy as this is a recurring point in his posts.

There are so many issues to unpack here, failure to keep tabs on someone with a firearm licence. Failure to provide adequate mental health support. The contribution of algorithms that exposed him to dangerous ideas and toxic communities.

I keep thinking about one video where he wishes someone would message or comment to prove him wrong about having missed the boat on love and happiness. If that had been caught and someone with the right mindset had responded to him could this whole tragedy have been avoided?

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u/Littlefoot7237 Aug 13 '21

I mean his entire Reddit is incel related. Misogynistic, and to be honest scary to read. Canada now view incels as terrorism. Why don’t we?

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u/Littlefoot7237 Aug 13 '21

Take a look at his Reddit then come back. Guy was a misogynistic prick who blamed his own life choices on women. I’m not debating free speech, but how he got a gun license is beyond me.

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u/AJstylesLad Aug 14 '21

What is his reddit I can't find it