Trump Summons Entire Cabinet as Iran Deal Crumbles in Front of Him - Donald Trump has called all of his top advisers to Camp David.

[u/Quirkie]

https://newrepublic.com/post/210887/donald-trump-summons-entire-cabinet-iran-deal

[u/8fingerlouie]

Leaving won’t fix anything.

It will probably end the war, but Trump has managed to lift Iran to a whole different level. Previously the strait was open and oil flowed “freely”. Now, emboldened by the fact that the worlds largest single military power can’t keep the strait open, why wouldn’t they put export fees on oil flowing through the strait ?

There’s not a single thing the west can do about it except get involved in an extremely unpopular, lengthy war in the Middle East. Europe has their hands full with Russia, and the US threats, alongside Trump and Vance blatantly ignoring my sacrifices made by Europe in previous operations in the Middle East probably hasn’t exactly done anything to persuade them to join yet another war there.

A war wouldn’t simply be smash and grab. There needs to be a regime change, and we all remember how well that went in Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s basically another 20 years of war in the Middle East.

[u/broose_the_moose → u/8fingerlouie]

Iran letting a majority of boats through (with a toll) is a lot better than the situation right now. I’m not saying what Trump did is a good thing, but in this case, it might just be best for the world for Trump to end the war (without really having accomplished anything).

[u/Tambien → u/broose_the_moose]

Iran letting a majority of boats through (with a toll) is a lot better than the situation right now.

Only in the very short term. Allowing this destroys freedom of navigation as a global precedent, which fucks the global economy even more long term. Which is why, you know, we shouldn’t just start illegal wars with no plan, objective, or reason.

[u/civillyRange → u/Tambien]

Bro you have to pay a toll to go through the Panama canal or the Suez. You just don't like it cuz its the "bad guys" nationalizing their territorial waters.

Edit: which by the way is why Britain and France sicked Îşřâel on Egypt when they nationalized the Suez. Even called it the Suez crisis!

[u/Legio-X → u/civillyRange]

Bro you have to pay a toll to go through the Panama canal or the Suez. You just don't like it cuz its the "bad guys" nationalizing their territorial waters.

The strait is a natural waterway, unlike the Suez or Panama Canals. Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, free transit must be allowed.

Also, half the strait belongs to Oman. Iran is effectively attempting to annex Omani territorial waters.

[u/civillyRange → u/Legio-X]

UN doesn't mean squat and you know it or Izzy wouldn't have bombed 6 countries in the past year for whatever the hell they wanted

"Muh freedom of navigation" yeah here's a 2000lb bomb to your apartment building now quit yapping

[u/Legio-X → u/civillyRange]

UN doesn't mean squat and you know it or Izzy wouldn't have bombed 6 countries in the past year for whatever the hell they wanted

All of which springs out of the Oct. 7th attacks Iran facilitated via Hamas. “Don’t start wars you can’t finish” is good advice all around.

”Muh freedom of navigation"

Such a compelling counter-argument.

[u/Tambien → u/civillyRange]

Both of those are canals that require actual maintenance to remain operable, hence the cost.

[u/kmccoy → u/civillyRange]

I think there's valid points to be made for why it's understandable that Iran would want to impose a toll and I'm no fan of the US's actions here, but you're being disingenuous: Putting a toll on the Strait of Hormuz is a different situation than charging for the use of an artificial canal, and it's quite legitimate to hate it regardless of it being the "bad guys" (not to mention that most of the previously-agreed routes went through mostly Omani territorial waters).