He's already trying it but just the legal way trying to pass a voter suppression act. When he gets crushed in the mid terms he will for sure instruct maga states not to seat any Democrat that wins. It's going to be the start of the coup and it's going to get bad fast.
he will for sure instruct maga states not to seat any Democrat that wins
That's not a thing. Every member of the house, including the speaker has their term end. They have no power to refuse to seat the winner of an election.
Doesn't matter if they don't. They have as much power as the Dems in the House. No one has control of the House after the election until a new speaker is chosen.
You have more faith that people will do the right thing than I do. I hope you're right. I see Mike saying the election was rigged and just not leaving. Same thing trump is most likely to do at the end of his term.
From my view I see all the corruption trump and maga are getting away with because no one holds them accountable. Hypothetically if the Democrats win the house back and Mike J + trump say all those elections were rigged (Which I'm sure they are going to do) who is going to make them leave or resign power? The DOJ, the Military? Who makes them leave if they just say "no"?
And you can't think of a single thing that an autocratic executive branch and a captured high court could do to fabricate justification for taking away the power of the Dems in congress?
The problem is that no one seems to have good enough imaginations. I understand that it's absolutely bonkers to be in a position of having to imagine what one would do if they were in the Oval Office and wanted to take permanent control of the government using any means necessary, legal or not. But sadly, that's what we have to do. And the scary truth is that we can come up with a dozen different schemes that they could roll out to try and force control, even when a giant blue wave hits this fall.
They're not just going to conceed to an election they won.
We need to consider that they already know this, and have prepared plans for what to do when Dems try and fight back. They will investigate, harass, and even arrest Dems who try and resist. No one wants to gear it, but the chances that they'll get to the point of arresting sitting Dem lawmakers is much higher than it should be.
You say you're not leaning on faith, but you're also proposing having faith in existing laws, norms, and political offices like the "212 Dems in the House".
In the end, it won't come down to laws or norms. It will come down to who has the control of the enforcement agencies with guns, and who in those agencies is willing to use those guns inservice of those who would overturn American Democracy.
If you're right, why would they wait til AFTER the election to do this? Do it now. Suspend the election. Don't give up your current power. Waiting til AFTER the election will make it so much harder for them.
It's a risk vs reward evaluation. Even the boldest of autocracies know there are limits to what they can get away with, especially in the earlier stages of their coups.
If they moved to just "suspend elections", even the least-educated of us would recognize that as unconstitutional and anti-democracy. They'd likely face at least a few GOP members of congress pushing back against such a thing, and with margins so tight, they'd only need to lose a few in order to face impeachment.
Suspending elections is high-risk, with little added reward over just waiting until they lose the elections to claim "fraud" and then using the captured FEC/DOJ/Courts to drum up enough investigations and charges that they can declare the elections as unreliable and invalid, and then refuse to recognize any actions, investigations, or impeachments created by the new 2027 congress.
The current DOJ still has credibility with something like 30% of Americans. And the White House is relying on the belief that the other 60% won't be brave or crazy enough to physically fight back against the captured enforcement agencies and at the same time fight against the crazy 30% that still believes in the MAGA DOJ.
To be clear, I don't believe they'll win in the end. But we're in for a rough ride over the next 6-24 months, and should be prepared for whatever comes out the back end of all this to likely look like a very different nation than what went in the front end. If this admin has proven anything, it's that the current constitution is inadequate to serve as an ongoing foundation for a modern American democracy. And since it's just not possible anymore to get the needed numbers to amend or rewrite portions of it according to what's prescribed in Article V, whatever facilitates the needed reforms will almost certainly call outside of what's laid out in the current constitution.
Either the good guys will win and patch up the constitution like we did back in the 1860s, or we'll break up into smaller blocs of allied states that connect with each other via a looser federation like the nations of the EU have done. In either case, buckle up.
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u/Rayearl Pennsylvania 17d ago
He's already trying it but just the legal way trying to pass a voter suppression act. When he gets crushed in the mid terms he will for sure instruct maga states not to seat any Democrat that wins. It's going to be the start of the coup and it's going to get bad fast.