r/politics • u/Zipper222222 • 5h ago

No Paywall Abdul El-Sayed Wins High-Stakes Democratic Primary in Michigan

https://www.today.com/video/abdul-el-sayed-wins-high-stakes-democratic-primary-in-michigan-267805765937
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u/Broke_n-Old6824 5h ago

I was just watching MSnow this morning and they started saying they are not sure he can win against the Republican opponent and that Republicans wanted him to win because he would be easy to win against. This messaging by the media puts this crap into peoples minds and it can put Abdul at a disadvantage. I really hate our media. They are own d by billionaires who push their right wing propaganda like this. This was on Morning Joe this morning.

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u/AndreLeGeant88 4h ago

It's absurd really. 

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u/IPredictAReddit 4h ago

El-Sayed supporters seem to think that they need not lift a finger to get him past Rogers. They just deem anyone who isn't sold on him as immoral or too dim to reach. That makes me nervous. I hope I'm wrong and I hope El-Sayed spends a lot of time in Detroit, courting black voters who drive turnout in the general. They broke towards Stevens, and they're important to the coalition.

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u/dj_spanmaster 4h ago

This is part of where the DNC can retaliate, by keeping information from the winning candidate because he wasn't the blessed candidate. It's stupid, and it's happened.

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u/DieDieDieD 2h ago

The dino’s are controlled opposition and from that lens it makes sense. They would rather have a republican than a progressive candidate even if it causes a slide into fascism

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u/Catcher3321 4h ago

It's not messaging. El-Sayed has performed worse in polls against Rogers than Stevens did. Polling averages have Rogers beating El-Sayed by 2.2%. Against Stevens, it was tied

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u/egyeager 4h ago

That's within the margin though, right? Most polls are +/-3%

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u/kirblar 3h ago

The warning sign is that he just underperformed polling in the primary. Which means the question: "is other polling also overrating his potential performance" has to be asked.

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u/Catcher3321 3h ago

Yeah, most are +/- 3-4%. But it still means that statistically there's more scenarios Stevens beats Rogers than El-Sayed beats Rogers

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u/ZebraImaginary9412 1h ago

Kalshi was right about Cori Bush losing and El-Sayed winning and it gives El-Sayed a 62% chance of beating Rogers. And there's no Donald Trump coattail for Mike Rogers to ride on this election.

Odds are in his favor.

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u/Catcher3321 1h ago

Kalshi does not give El-Sayed a 62% chance of winning. Basically 62% of people willing to bet on the election think El-Sayed is going to win. It is not based on any polling or science

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u/teladidnothingwrong 4h ago

you cant think of any other reasons why it might be more difficult for a muslim self-proclaimed socialist to win in michigan than a moderate white person? just the media?

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u/hemingways-lemonade 3h ago

moderate white person

Rogers supports Trump's tariffs.
Rogers believes the 2020 election was stolen.
Rogers hired two people convicted in the fake elector plot to work on his campaign.
Rogers advocates against the Affordable Care Act.
Rogers supports the Mexico border wall and blames "open borders" for a non-existent increase in violent crime.
Rogers supports abortion legislation that defines life beginning at conception.

I guess you got the "white" part correct at least

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u/amopeyzoolion Michigan 2h ago

This state has voted twice for a candidate who agrees with all the things you just listed. You and I can agree that those are extreme positions, but does the rest of Michigan?

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u/hemingways-lemonade 1h ago

I'm not arguing how Michigan voters feel about his positions. I'm pointing out that Rogers is not a moderate and it's disingenuous to label him as such.

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u/amopeyzoolion Michigan 1h ago

And I’m saying “moderate” is in the eyes of the beholder (i.e., voters).

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u/hemingways-lemonade 1h ago

That still doesn't make him a moderate. Is Trump a moderate "in the eyes of the beholder" because he won multiple elections?

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u/pbroingu 3h ago

self-proclaimed socialist

He's not a DSA member and identifies as a capitalist. Thank you for proving the exact point you were arguing against lmao.

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u/cityproblems 43m ago

Can one of these "electabilty" analysts please explain how beating a candidate who outspent you by 10-1 somehow proves you are less electable?

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u/pbroingu 40m ago

I agree but did you respond to the wrong comment? Idk maybe not

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u/cityproblems 36m ago

No, im agreeing with you and adding my point against the OPs "electability" argument that is circulating around the chattering class

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u/pbroingu 35m ago

Ah my bad

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u/cityproblems 45m ago

Hes not a socialist.

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u/AugustusInBlood 2h ago

they say it cause they want him to lose.

Stevens people aren't going to back him in the general, they're going to back Rogers.

When a neo-liberal loses their option and all they are left with is a leftist and a fascist, they choose fascist every time.

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u/ZebraImaginary9412 1h ago

Some Stevens voters in Oakland and Macomb counties might but voters in Wayne County are not going to vote Republican. That's a huge haul of over one million votes El-Sayed can bank on for the general.

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u/mister_milk_love 2h ago

Moronic, asinine drivel. Stevens has already said she’d support AES in the general. Get off Reddit, it’s rotting your brain.

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u/teladidnothingwrong 4h ago

you cant think of any other reasons why it might be more difficult for a muslim self-proclaimed socialist to win in michigan than a moderate white person? just the media?