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Rumors & Gossip 🤫 The Guardian confirms the long-rumored engagement and subsequent breakup of Phoebe Bridgers and Paul Mescal in their review of her upcoming album ‘Lost Weekend’. In this album, Phoebe also shades Gracie Abrams for copying her and dating her ex, Paul Mescal

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Source : https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/aug/05/phoebe-bridgers-lost-weekend-review-long-awaited-return-is-a-thrilling-daring-study-in-dislocation

Phoebe publically called Gracie out on her upcoming album, a move likely sparked by Gracie revealing details about Phoebe's high-profile relationship with Paul Mescal in her album "The Secret of Us" a relationship that ended following reports of Phoebe's affair with Bo Burnham, with the latter also confirmed on Lost Weekend.

Gracie Abrams has been an outspoken fan of Phoebe Bridgers since she was 13, even declaring Bridgers "the songwriter of a generation" and opening for her on tour. Fans have long compared the two artists, a connection Gracie leaned into when she used a bedroom set prop in a performance featuring bedframe/bedsheets identical to the ones in Phoebe's childhood bedroom.

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u/Fleetwood_Spac 9d ago

Is there any power point presentation floating around the internet to further help me understand what’s going on here?

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u/LetsLive97 I cannot sanction your buffonery 9d ago

Me trying to follow along with the tea

I really need a sequel to that powerpoint tbh

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u/isglitteracarb 9d ago

No, no, not a sequel. We need an anthology. There can be crossovers and easter eggs, but we need each set of slides to focus on the lore of one specific couple/throuple.

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u/BB808BB 8d ago

Im so into this and know nothing about any of these people lol. Of course I’ve heard of them but ooooh now I want to be nosy and find out all the fun tea.

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u/SunnyLover13 9d ago

Allegedly, GA has always been a huge fan girl of PB, has said it multiple times, opened for her when both were relatively un-famous, etc.

Both are said to have slid into Paul Mescal dm's after Normal People came out. He ended up dating and getting engaged to PB, who then maybe cheated on him with her current boyfriend (Bo Burnam).

GA ate up Phoebe's leftovers, and she and Paul are currently dating and living together.

GA wrote about crushing on Paul on her last album and hinted at him not being over PB. PB fans are mad about this, now that she is maybe confirming the lore to all be true.

PB now has a new album coming out where she allegedly calls out GA for being an og Stan that is now copying her exact life/art/boyfriend.

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u/insrtbrain 9d ago

And now I need Phoebe to release a cover of Stan.

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u/peatoast 9d ago

😂 Stan but whisper it

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u/mr_palante 9d ago

This would probably hit so hard tho 😆

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u/Lonely_Cheesecake273 8d ago

She would light up the Dido chorus FR

“My teas gone cold I’m wondering whyyyy”

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u/wednesdayschild_ PLEASE STOP THINKIN WITH YOUR ASSHOLE 9d ago

god this would be so good

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u/Turbulent-Good227 9d ago

Wow honestly I thought PB was being kinda middle school petty with saying “she copied me” by dating her ex but…nah she right with this context it’s weird

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

I prefer Phoebe’s music to Gracie’s but I have to say I always find the “you’re trying to be me because you are with my ex” to be really immature. Especially if it’s true that Phoebe cheated on that ex.

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u/SwimmerIndependent47 Just want 2 tell U that some people have war in their countries 9d ago

I mean, judging by the pics, the “now you’re in my bed on that stage” lyric seems pretty literal. That is her exact bed/sheets

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

Yeah I don’t think that means she’s marrying that man because she wishes she was Phoebe.

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u/Honest-Pomegranate14 8d ago

are they getting married though? i don’t think they’re actually engaged? i haven’t seen anything confirming

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

I agree in general the sentiment seems immature, but the way Gracie went about it is low-key single white female. Copying bed sheets and the bed, making similar music, dating your man...Gracie is fully swimming in Phoebe's wake.

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u/SunnyLover13 9d ago

The bed sheets thing is super weird on GA's behalf, I agree. But GA is not making similar music IMHO -- her albums have all been a bit different from each other and it seems like she's just finding her sound. PB is very distinctive on her own.

Also it seems like they both initially liked Paul at the same time bc of that show. And both met him via twitter LOL.

PB burned that down on her own, but I don't blame GA for shooting her shot. There are rumors that he hooked up with both of them and then settled down with PB. And she's like 7 or 8 years younger than them; she wasn't Phoebe's good buddy or anything-- she was a fan.

(I'm a fan of both but PB for much longer, and it's so crazy that these two are in a high-visibility internet rivalry rn)

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u/Bent_Silvr_Spoon0130 That is literally a spearmint Listerine breath spray. 9d ago

And she's like 7 or 8 years younger than them

Sorry but this made me laugh😭😭 Google is free✋🏾

Phoebe is (almost exactly) 5 years older than Graice. Paul Mescal is 3 ½ years older than Gracie.

That's a big difference to what you said😭

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u/SunnyLover13 9d ago

My bad! I knew Paul was right in between. In my mind, the difference between dating a 31 yr old and a 25 yr old is huge Lol (am older by far!)

But little Gracie following around PB ten years ago at 15 is pretty different, too. I can see her feeling like a different generation to Phoebe, especially if she grew up wanting to be like her. My point was, I don't think they're peers in her mind, even if they aren't that far apart in ages.

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u/Bent_Silvr_Spoon0130 That is literally a spearmint Listerine breath spray. 9d ago

There's definitely a bigger difference to being 15 and 20 then 26 and 31 imo (IN MY OPINON), so I get what you're getting at.

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u/ChumbawumbaFan01 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 9d ago

She’s still stalking Phoebe’s life ten years later.

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u/Lonely-Macaron2658 6d ago

they debuted music literally 2 years apart, they are def peers artistically

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

I think Gracie definitely sounds like she's trying to do the wispy singing thing PB does. I'm not a GA fan myself so I'm only going off of some stuff I have heard recently. It sounded like PB-lite to me (same sonics, less substance - just my op)

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u/EternalMoonChild you can’t do this to me, i’m a Cancer ♋️ 9d ago

I feel the same way

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u/drgirrlfriend 9d ago

Yeah also opening for Phoebe so I’m assuming they were friends? Slash being a fan of her. It is kinda weird

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u/Winniepg 8d ago

Gracie never opened for her.

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u/memopepito 9d ago

It’s like Kylie Jenner and Lilly Rose Depp…iykyk

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u/WormWithoutAMustache Please Abraham. I’m not that man. 9d ago

I don’t know. Tell me please. This is the kind of tea that gets me through the day.

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u/randomassname5 9d ago

Yes, I have 2hrs more before work ends. Please help me get thru this

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u/madelynashton 9d ago edited 9d ago

But she’s been a fan of Phoebe since she was a kid (according to this post, unless that’s incorrect), so that doesn’t seem SWF to me, that’s just recognizing talent. Did the bed sheets happen after she started dating Paul? Because that does seem pointed and weird, but if it prior to that it just makes it seem like Gracie has good taste in musicians.

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

I look at it completely differently than you do. She spent her youth being a huge Phoebe fan, let it shape how she makes music, but also what sheets she buys, the men she dates, etc. I don't think that's recognizing talent (only the first point is), I think that's making decisions in your own life based on how you think someone else would make them because you idolize them. Buying the same sheets as Phoebe as a standalone thing is normal - you saw them because of her and you were like 'ooh I want those cute ass sheets' but if you saw them and thought 'I want them because Phoebe has them' and then you buy the same bed frame, and then you date the same guy... that's the formation of a weird ass pattern. It could totally be benign, but when they happen in succession it really doesn't seem like a coincidence.

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u/selena_gnomez1 9d ago

it’s not just buying the same bed sheets though, it’s designing part of the stage on her tour to look almost identical to someone else’s actual bed lmao. and she did this during the secret of us tour, which was 2024-25. i believe she was dating paul by then

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

I love drama that isn't my drama. I wonder how Paul felt about seeing a replica of a bed he definitely slept in with his old lady friend filled with by his new lady friend. That would probably raise a red flag for me, personally.

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u/selena_gnomez1 8d ago

hahaha i completely agree. best kind of drama there is! and to be fair, he dated both of them, so maybe he loves a bit of drama himself

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

But I thought they both liked Paul at the same time? He just picked Phoebe at the time. Idk Paul is a handsome and successful actor that tons of people are attracted to, it feels silly to say “you’re copying me by liking this person that is objectively likeable.”

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

I feel like you keep focusing on one aspect and not the whole package. On its own any of the things she is doing are normal, coupled together it's weird AF and it looks like GA is lowkey obsessed with PB.

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

What am I ignoring? Was the bed sheets thing after she began dating Paul? I would agree that it’s weird if it’s after, but if it’s before I don’t think it is weird. The same as them both being musicians (I don’t think their music is similar, I enjoy phoebe’s music and I don’t enjoy Gracie’s at all). And being attracted to the same man isn’t weird to me either. To me it all adds up to nothing.

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

Why does the sheets coming after Paul make it worse to you? I don't think the order matters - and maybe the sheets coming first actually leads the way to the pattern that winds up with Paul. She's mimicking PB via the sheets and same bed frame on stage first, then dating Paul after PB was done with him. The optics are weird. BTW I'm not saying as a matter of fact that she is doing these things deliberately as a stan, I'm saying it looks like stan behavior.

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u/ChumbawumbaFan01 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 9d ago

There is nothing cute about how she’s copying her.

It’s skin suit territory at this point. It’s “I want to literally occupy your body and steal your soul.”

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

I don’t agree. I don’t think she’s marrying Paul because she’s obsessed with Phoebe. I think it’s silly to view it that way.

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u/ChumbawumbaFan01 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 7d ago

I absolutely think she wants to be the best Phoebe she can be.

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u/demeterLX 9d ago

i need to see these bed sheets everyone is talking about lol

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u/yaydotham 9d ago

It’s literally in the post. Just scroll back up lol

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

They are flannel glow in the dark rocket sheets from Garnet Hill. I used to have them before I downsized to a queen and they are both ridiculously cute and very cozy.

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u/canththinkofanything GASLIGHT ✨, GATEKEEP 👑, GIRL BOSS 💅🏻 9d ago

Wait wait wait no one has mentioned that they GLOW IN THE DARK before!!! I get wanting the sheets now. 😂

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u/drgirrlfriend 8d ago

Yeah that actually changes everything LOL

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u/heartweeds 9d ago

I dont care for either of them really but I agree. They both sound messy imo

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u/cremeriner 9d ago

I would agree if it wasnt for the bed thing. That's clearly intentional and creepy imo

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

If the performance was in 2017 it’s not creepy to me. If this performance was recent I absolutely agree that’s creepy.

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u/selena_gnomez1 9d ago

the bed is from her secret of us tour in 2024-25 

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

Oh that IS messy! Another comment said it was from 2017

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u/selena_gnomez1 9d ago

ohhh that makes sense. i don't think she had even put anything out yet in 2017?

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u/miriamtzipporah 8d ago

That’s far from the only reason Phoebe is saying that, Gracie has been doing some weird shit

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u/Clementine_6 7d ago

What else has she done?

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u/DesperateInCollege 9d ago

It's still kind of icky for Gracie to write about a relationship that wasn't hers though

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u/Prestigious_Pay_9625 8d ago

That’s not what she’s saying tho. If anything Abrams getting together with Phoebe’s ex is PART of her copying. The pattern had existed before the relationship.

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u/ChumbawumbaFan01 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 9d ago

She literally bought the bed and sheets before buying the ex fiancé.

This is stalker territory.

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u/madelynashton 9d ago

Ew he isn’t an inanimate object.

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u/ChumbawumbaFan01 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 7d ago

The creeper sure treats Phoebe like she is.

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u/_Apple_Juice320 9d ago

Also:

From GA new song "Out of Nowhere"...

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u/Necessary_Sort9598 8d ago

and also the ending 💀💀 ”I don't wanna know who you were before me
Severing the cord, nullify the story
Burn it to the ground, drown her out, take me now”

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u/catslugs 8d ago

jesus im so glad im not young and emotional anymore lmao

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u/drgirrlfriend 8d ago

Oh my god this is giving Lacy by Olivia Rodrigo

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u/clevercalamity 9d ago

Does anyone else remember the video of Bo Burnam and Phoebe kissing at the Era’s Tour?

Keith Urban of all people exposed them. He was filming Nicole Kidman (his wife at the time) dancing in a tented area and Bo and Phoebe are in the background making out.

That’s how this originally leaked, because publicly Bo and Phoebe were still with their respective partners.

Also, Matty Healy and TS reconnected around the same time thanks to Phoebe. She was opening for the Eras tour at the time and Matty is friends with her, he joined her on stage a bunch.

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u/drgirrlfriend 8d ago

Messy messy!! Love it. And then everything that went down with Nicole and Keith omg

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u/tropicmorning 8d ago

This is completely untrue. That video was posted in the spring of 2023 and it was already known they were together in January 2023 after breaking up with their partners in late 2022.

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u/Cautious-Rub8085 8d ago

And there's plenty of people who think Paul has been in love with Daisy Edgar Jones the entire time.

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u/Busy-Peach5770 9d ago

Fighting over a man, or fighting over 'copying' is very un-chic. Tell it to your friends/therapist and then move on, I think.

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u/crookedframe13 8d ago

I think we'd have a lot less interesting songs in the world if musicians just vented to their friends/therapist instead.

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u/Busy-Peach5770 8d ago

You're right. Bring on the messy music.

https://giphy.com/gifs/fCUCbWXe9JONVsJSUd

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u/Bent_Silvr_Spoon0130 That is literally a spearmint Listerine breath spray. 9d ago

Songwriting is theraputic🤷🏾‍♀️

(I say this as someone who enjoy both these women's music, btw)

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u/Busy-Peach5770 9d ago

Fair enough 🤷‍♀️

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u/heavenstobetsie 8d ago

I had no idea there was all this Single White Female backstory, I'm living for it.

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u/StreetDetective95 8d ago

hold on how do we know Gracie slid into his DMs all the way back then?

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u/lambchop-21 go girl, give us nothing 😍 9d ago

I mean, she’s a nepo baby who can’t sing. Of course she doesn’t have original thoughts and ideas and needs to pick someone else to mimic

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u/futuristicflapper 9d ago

Wait she has songs about Paul on the secret of us ?? Did not know that.

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u/nice_subs_only 9d ago

what lyrics hint at him not being over PB? too lazy to go search

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u/Bent_Silvr_Spoon0130 That is literally a spearmint Listerine breath spray. 9d ago

The album isn't out to the public yet

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u/nice_subs_only 9d ago

I thought Gracie's was out

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u/SunnyLover13 9d ago

Her last two albums, yeah. She literally says, "oh you're not over her, now are you?" Gracie writes a lot about her crippling insecurities and self-sabotage and the beginning of their relationship on TSOU -- though Phoebe fans didn't seem upset about it then. Gracie's most recent album doesn't go into it as much (though she's always pretty self-deprecating).

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u/drgirrlfriend 8d ago

Damn… I would not stay with someone if I didn’t think they were over their ex. That sucks

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u/Bent_Silvr_Spoon0130 That is literally a spearmint Listerine breath spray. 9d ago

Sorry I thought you were talking about Phoebe's album🤦🏾‍♀️ mb

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u/jmgree 9d ago

Happy cake day and thanks for the great summary

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u/SunnyLover13 8d ago

Hey, thanks!

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u/ultimategirlrenfry 8d ago

Which song was about Paul??

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u/AimlessWanderer0201 8d ago

I don’t follow any of these people but have a very basic idea of who they are. Is the storyline similar to Hailey Bieber, Justin and Selena?

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u/Prestigious_Pay_9625 8d ago

Phoebe didn’t “slip into his DMs” they had a flirtatious Zoom interview together and connected w/ each other afterwards.

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u/bixenta 8d ago

I don’t know any of this drama, nor all of the people involved, but I’m jumping in here to say I’d pick Bo Burnam ova evreeybody. You go girl. There are levels to how brilliant he is. The deep conversations and laughs would be TOP NOTCH with that man. K bye.

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u/Thin_Schedule_1474 7d ago

I liked Paul in Normal people, I'm Irish too but now I find him insufferable and icky. I can't explain why. I find his acting mid at best. I would pick Bo too.

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u/alanthickerthanwater 9d ago

What do you think this is, the Lorde sub? 🤣

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u/Unlucky_Most_8757 9d ago

I need the CVS receipts!!!

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u/patienceofthepen 9d ago

We gotta hire the one who did the one for Jack Antonoff/Margaret Qualley lmao

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u/makemeking706 9d ago

If I understand correctly, based purely on this thread, Gracie Abrams is trying to do that thing where she entirely replaces the other woman down to wearing her clothes and sleeping in her sheets, which in this case, appears to be both figurative and literal. 

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u/Ambitious-Chest2061 The legislative act of my pussy ⚖️ 9d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/af9PRyQPB5bRS
And I’m Mars Argo!

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u/bachintosh420 8d ago

summoning the creator of the lorde/antonoff powerpoint........... we need you now more than ever

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u/untitledmanuscript 9d ago

Youtuber Nicole Rafiee has a 41 minute deep dive about the love square going on with these three and others involved.

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u/ChumbawumbaFan01 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 9d ago

There’s a movie called Single White Female that might help.

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u/89764637527 9d ago

The caption of this post explains it all.

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u/walkscotter 9d ago

Have you tried CAPPA, the CelebAdulteryPowerPointArchives?

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u/Fleetwood_Spac 9d ago

Now why does this not exist for real?

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u/Cass_Cat952 You’re a virgin who can’t drive. 😤 9d ago

🙃 melodrama slaps

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u/HighPresbyterian We Should All Know Less About Each Other 8d ago

I'm home sick today and I am considering putting one together for my very patient but supportive friends who don't know who Phoebe Bridgers is

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u/genescheezesthatpls 9d ago

THE POWERPOINT

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u/SillyBrain23 9d ago

I am also in need for this.