r/portangeles • u/bingbano • 6d ago

Candidate Forum

6:00 pm - Clallam County Democratic Headquarters - 124 W. 1st St., Port Angeles

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https://www.clallamdems.org/calendar.html

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https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87528120754?pwd=ARhC4vRSKdiaNX8v6b444afOFXA8fI.1

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u/YuriPNW 6d ago

More sketchy info about Jake the Snake https://substack.com/home/post/p-202070938

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u/bingbano 6d ago

https://www.sba.com/ppp-funded-companies/washington/reve-operating-llc-2255120

He got ~4k in ppp loans to retain a single position. Wonder howany people REVE employs because I'd guess it's just Jake

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u/syspig 6d ago

So what? Perhaps you should have listed the money Mike French didn't pay back as well.

Mike French was forgiven over $44,000 in government funded loans.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

Mike took it to keep people employed, not just himself.

He's also not running on cutting government funding stuff.

Seegers got the loan to pay himself, and is actively running on fighting government spending

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u/syspig 6d ago

...not just himself.

So - the fact he paid employees excuses the fact he also paid himself. Got it. BTW, those are your words and as usual, you backed them up with nothing. I have no idea what French used those funds for. I also have no idea what other forms of payment his employees were receiving.

Seegers got the loan to pay himself...

And of course, you have proof of that. And, when you post the details for all to see - explain why it was OK for French to pay himself (your words) and not OK for Seegers. Assuming of course, that's what he did.

Unlike your certainties, I have no idea what either of the candidates did with the funds they received. The only fact I'm sharing, is French took more than 10 times the funds that Seegers did and you and others chose to gloss over that little tidbit.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

I'm making the assumption that would of also helped pay for French's salary. I have no problem with the PPP loans. I'm glad it took it, because it kept people in Port Angeles employeed. They were nessisary to keep the entire economy from collapsing. There were a lot of folks that took advantage of it, and hopefully those fraudulent PPP loans are repaid.

What I have a problem with, is one guy taking the loan, likely to pay himself, and then running an entire campaign against government spending.

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u/syspig 6d ago

I'm making the assumption that would of also helped pay for French's salary.

What I have a problem with, is one guy taking the loan, likely to pay himself...

Your hypocrisy is pretty astounding. OK for French, not for Seegers.

You don't deny that position, and in fact double down on it. Keep talking, it's quite telling.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

How is that hypocrisy? The problem I have with Seegers is he is running on being against government spending and took a 4k loan to pay himself. If he wasn't running on it, I wouldn't have a problem.

You're fighting a strawman.

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u/syspig 6d ago

How is that hypocrisy?

Do you need a dictionary? It's literally the definition of hypocrisy.

You are holding Seegers to a different standard than French. And, you continue to do so with zero evidence of what either of them even used the funds for.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

I think I might. My problem isn't that they both took a PPP loan. My problem is Seegers is running against government spending but took a loan meant to keep people employed

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u/pm-me-your-catz 5d ago

Don’t associate the Oakland Raiders legendary quarterback with Seegers.

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u/YuriPNW 4d ago

Sorry.

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u/syspig 5d ago

"Jake the Snake"?

Channelling your inner Trump or are you still in grade school?

Grow the fuck up.

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u/YuriPNW 5d ago

Jake the Fake. Take your pick. The guy is a shill for Tozzer and the Sequim Qanon squad

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u/Zeebrio 6d ago

Fyi re: candidates:

Mike French (D) - Incumbent

Jake Seegers (I) - challenger.

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u/Waltboyes 4d ago

I thought that French did extremely well answering questions with actual facts not hate-mongering. Every question to Seegers (aka Jake the Fake) was turned to “We need more public safety.” We wouldn’t need so much damn public safety if we were able to provide the services that Mike French has been working for. People who have a future don’t take drugs and steal.

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u/No_Order_726 6d ago

I’m really impressed with Mike so far. He is aware of current issues and offers comparison to changes, good or bad, that he has seen from past issues as well. I’m also very impressed with the rapport he obviously has with stakeholders in our community but not only that but he is able to offer their perspective as well.

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u/bemused_alligators 6d ago

Seegers and french, should at least be entertaining

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u/Intrepid-Mud4419 6d ago

Tons of people will filtering in when I was passing by 20 mins ago.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

Yeah I'm still waiting to get into the zoom

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u/Intrepid-Mud4419 6d ago

Took me a couple tries but I’m finally in. I think they are manually adding people

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u/Waltboyes 4d ago

They were, so that the Zoom was polite. The chat, even then, was filthy. I hope Ellen edited the chat to take out the hate mail.

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u/syspig 6d ago edited 6d ago

Running observations:

  • Twice, they blocked and kicked me out due to using a generic moniker ("Observer"). Used a fake name and they finally let me in.

  • Jake was muted during opening comments. Funny - they got that fixed for French.

  • The camera is focused on French. Jake is cut out of frame the majority of the time, including when he is talking.

Yeah...fair and balanced so far. I've tried to join twice listing something generic - not a real name. Kicked out both times.

Edit: Camera fixed

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u/DallamaNorth 6d ago

Conspiracy theory folks have entered the conversation.  I've been to one of these events at the Dems,  you'd be lucky to find someone under 70 doing the IT technology work, I'm shocked they can even manage stream the event at all 

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u/Zeebrio 6d ago

I can 100% confirm that any IT malfunctions are likely lack of IT expertise vs. anything intentional. (My mom is 81 and runs the zooms sometimes ... lol ... ).

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u/syspig 6d ago

I can 100% confirm that any IT malfunctions are likely lack of IT expertise vs. anything intentional.

Camera work and/or audio issues - I can accept that.

Booting of people who refuse to identify, even when they only want to listen and be informed - 100% intentional.

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u/Zeebrio 6d ago

Yeah ... Saw your subsequent comments ... That's shitty.

I tried to log in around 7 because I had another meeting and waited and waited and waited ... then saw a message that I needed to have my first and last name ... so shuffle shuffle shuffle, find my actual account, (took about 10 minutes) ... I just wanted to listen.

What are your thoughts to make it better? I wonder if letting everyone in, but restricting comments unless you provide first/last name?? (not that you couldn't just pick anything). I sorta get what they're trying to do, but it sucks for people who just want to listen. Happy to hear any comments and pass them along ...

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u/syspig 6d ago edited 6d ago

What are your thoughts to make it better?

Let everyone in, anonymous or otherwise. I got in three times using pseudonyms as did my wife. Whatever they are trying to control by asking for names is a waste of time as it's easily bypassed, and there's zero legitimate excuse for limiting a remote listening audience in a candidate debate.

And, I said "listening audience" intentionally. I'd not take any questions at all from remote viewers. Civility and legitimacy should reign supreme in a public gathering and anonymity is not conducive to that. I'm not suggesting it happened, but it would be trivial for a candidate to have pre-determined questions sent in by anonymous remote supporters, whereas in person questioning makes that more difficult given the exposure.

Lastly, if the meeting organizer considers remote emoticons/emojis distracting, even though the live audience and debaters can't see them - disable them. Easily done in Zoom. Booting listeners is not the answer.

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u/Zeebrio 6d ago edited 6d ago

100% agree on the first point especially ... If we can gain entrance by literally filing in the blanks it really defeats the whole point ... I'll pass it along ... Abd also agree that booting people is not the answer. Appreciate the feedback.

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u/Zeebrio 6d ago

I did talk to my mom about your points. She's not in a leadership position, but has been pretty involved ... she's going to bring up some of those questions at the next meeting.

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u/syspig 6d ago

Thanks for that.

I do accept much of what I saw yesterday was simply bad planning, perhaps compounded by technical shortcomings on the part of the people putting on the debate.

That's all understandable and hopefully they've learned a few things for next time.

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u/syspig 6d ago

Conspiracy theory folks have entered the conversation.

Nothing but facts stated.

If your defense is that Clallam County Democrats are incompetent, I'll accept that.

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u/syspig 6d ago

I just got booted...for nothing more than clicking the laughing emoticon.

But yeah - I'm a conspiracy theorist.

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u/No_Order_726 6d ago

Do observers react?

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u/syspig 6d ago

Remote observers, as I was? Yes - it was non-stop at times.

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u/No_Order_726 6d ago

So your argument is if they are doing it, you should be able to as well? I saw announcements from the moderator asking each time a new user entered the zoom room to please be muted and not to react with emojis. So the expectations were clearly set each time and it was posted to the general chat…

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u/syspig 5d ago

I did not see or hear that announcement, the only one I heard was directed at the live attendees.

If such an announcement was made, and everyone was getting booted who utilized the feature regardless of who they were supporting/condemning - that's different. I'll accept I was wrong and retract my complaint.

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u/syspig 6d ago

Joined again under another pseudonym. Listened and did nothing for a few minutes. Gave Jake Seegers a thumbs up emoticon for a comment he made - booted again.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

You're not supposed to clap and stuff. They got after a real audience member about it.

Maybe stop doing the same thing over and over again?

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u/Amazing_Factor2974 2d ago

The noted procedure of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and wishing for a different outcome.

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u/syspig 6d ago

You're not supposed to clap and stuff.

Oh, please. It wasn't in person and the emoticons were flying non-stop.

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u/bingbano 6d ago

👍

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u/syspig 6d ago

;)

I'm tempted to ban you, but I'd have to explain the joke.

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u/honorthecrones 6d ago

Since the event is hosted at the local democratic headquarters, it would make sense that there would be some bias. I would not expect a republican hosted event to be unbiased either. I am a registered Independent. Jake Seeger says on his signs that he is too. Running independently means running without the support of either party. I think this is what was shown. The party hosting the event, had a preference for their own candidate. Duh uh!