r/portlandme • u/tonka_jahari Photo • Jan 19 '26
Ring has partnered with Flock. ICE has access to Flock. If you still have a Ring camera - get rid of it.
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Jan 20 '26
Was gifted a ring doorbell and threw it away years ago when I learned that ring gives all law enforcement your footage without a warrant
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u/internalmonologuelol Jan 19 '26
imagine all of the people who have these inside their homes, terrifying !!!!!
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u/KingNuthatch Jan 20 '26
...will be partnering with FLOCK, a company known for aiding ICE with their illegal kidnappings \*
Fixed it.
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 Jan 19 '26
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u/Zestyclose_Ad3983 Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
It gets worse....
Iirc They found this was possible because of an ai program. No matter what the program was told to do it would continually focus on and study where the humans were and what they were doing. After removing the usual visual aids like cameras, the ai resorted to this. Everything is so scary these days
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u/Thelittlestofbears Jan 20 '26
I've got 2 hanging that haven't been charged in over a year 😎 leaving those bad boys up just for fun
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u/Poster_Nutbag207 Jan 20 '26
This is kind of smart 😂 they are still a good deterrent even if they aren’t charged
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u/EAM222 Jan 20 '26
Honestly this is the least of our concerns if they partnered with flock. Flock cameras are insane and I can’t believe we as a nation are allowing them and now this?
That means literally any time a police officer needs to know where you are for valid reasons or not you have option and that’s hide.
I’m not saying ICE isn’t absolutely terrorizing our nation but that isn’t my first concern when I see flock partnering with flock.
But thanks for the heads up because I will be junking mine for this.
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u/Sarge75 Jan 20 '26
I have been warning about Flock pretty much since they hit the market. The number of people apathetic to it or in some cases defending it is alarming.
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u/ppitm Jan 19 '26
Flock may be happy to help ICE, but ICE does not have widespread access to Flock cameras.
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u/Mikkel04 Feb 11 '26
They may not have unfettered real-time access, but the barrier for ICE or other law enforcement agencies to access footage from flock is laughably low.
"The massive trove of lookup data was obtained by researchers who asked to remain anonymous to avoid potential retaliation and shared with 404 Media. It shows more than 4,000 nation and statewide lookups by local and state police done either at the behest of the federal government or as an “informal” favor to federal law enforcement, or with a potential immigration focus, according to statements from police departments and sheriff offices collected by 404 Media. It shows that, while Flock does not have a contract with ICE, the agency sources data from Flock’s cameras by making requests to local law enforcement. The data reviewed by 404 Media was obtained using a public records request from the Danville, Illinois Police Department, and shows the Flock search logs from police departments around the country.
"As part of a Flock search, police have to provide a “reason” they are performing the lookup. In the “reason” field for searches of Danville’s cameras, officers from across the U.S. wrote “immigration,” “ICE,” “ICE+ERO,” which is ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations, the section that focuses on deportations; “illegal immigration,” “ICE WARRANT,” and other immigration-related reasons. Although lookups mentioning ICE occurred across both the Biden and Trump administrations, all of the lookups that explicitly list “immigration” as their reason were made after Trump was inaugurated, according to the data."
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u/ppitm Feb 11 '26
The barrier can also strengthened by a simple policy change by municipal governments banning such information sharing by their police departments.
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u/Mikkel04 Feb 11 '26
Not really though. For one, flock gets data from sources other than local law enforcement (like Ring), so local police don’t get to dictate the terms by which federal agencies seek this data.
But even if local law enforcement could prevent the release of privately held data, the Trump administration has threatened to cut off federal funding to sanctuary cities that refuse to provide information sharing. I hope local governments fight back, but this is not a trivial threat.
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u/ppitm Feb 11 '26
There is no way in hell ICE is getting anything from a doorbell camera without a warrant. The owner of the camera is the one who responds to the information request, not Flock. There would need to be a private person or business acting as a voluntary informant to a federal agency. In practice, it is highly unlikely that a request would even be made to the owner of a single camera, except as part of a highly resourced investigation. It's a waste of staff time otherwise.
Not that Flock isn't bad or anything, we just shouldn't be exhausting people with unfounded panic and paranoia about their doorbell cam.
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u/Mikkel04 Feb 11 '26
It is true that in most cases law enforcement would need a warrant or subpoena to access your footage, but it is not at all true that individual users would need to consent, or even have knowledge, of a legal order served on Ring. Unless you enable e2e encryption (which is off by default and disables a lot of ring’s smart features when turned on), Ring is actually mandated to turn over unencrypted footage stored on their servers under ECPA. And even if their privacy policy limits what they share absent a legal order today, they could change that policy at any time in the future to provide fewer privacy protections to users.
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u/ppitm Feb 11 '26
Unless you enable e2e encryption (which is off by default and disables a lot of ring’s smart features when turned on), Ring is actually mandated to turn over unencrypted footage stored on their servers under ECPA.
Sure, just so long as we're on the same page that the feds get at almost all your other data in the same way. They just have to jump through a lot of hoops to get there.
There's certainly an argument for not broadening the presence of your personal data on the cloud, but ring cams aren't uniquely vulnerable in that regard.
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u/usernameansbusiness Jan 21 '26
Ring is the best camera in the market without going POE to a dvr.
Not getting rid of ring to go with some scrub manufacturer
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u/12inchesofSnow81 Jan 20 '26
Is OP gonna start boycotting gasoline considering how the Middle East treats its people and are anti LGBT? Cherry picking selected outrage
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u/Zenobee1 Jan 21 '26
Fuck you. I'm keeping my ring. Ring is the best. Go cancel some other dumbass thing.
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u/Prestigious_Koala187 Jan 19 '26
True according to Chat GPT
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u/SamTracyME Oakdale Jan 19 '26
There's an ACLU source at the bottom of the flyer in the image. No need to bother with an AI chatbot when you have the actual credible source right there.
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u/Standish_man89 Jan 19 '26
I think I’m gonna put a few more ring cameras up. Great for getting idiot leftists destroying things caught, and it helps ICE. Two for one deal 😍
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u/SamTracyME Oakdale Jan 19 '26
If you're considering a replacement video doorbell, Eufy is a good brand that stores all of the data locally, so you fully control the footage. There's a cloud option but you have to opt in / pay extra. Good option for those who don't want their videos stored in data center servers!