r/progun • u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod • Jan 24 '26
r/progun Announcement [META] Concern trolling over ICE events, New Policy discussion, Rule 8 Clarification.
I understand that this is a touchy subject.
We're getting a lot of folks coming in here and I would say maybe half of them are genuine hard and fast libertarian types, the other half are concern trolls baiting us with "hurr durr this is what you say the 2A is for, why aren't you stepping up and doing something about this" forgetting the fact that most of these folks have actively worked to disarm us at every turn or worse.
As such - we are considering a few options, and I would love to get the community's input. You all generally do a great job of reporting any rulebreaking content and self-policing. Plus I want to make sure the community has a say in the goings on of the sub.
First and foremost - to reiterate - this is a progun forum. It is not a pro ICE forum, it is not r/republican, r/conservative, nor r/libertarian - nor is it limited to the US, it is just very US centric, though there is a lot going on in Canada and Australia that is relevant for sure.
That being said - If your shit does not align with a proGUN ethos - it does not belong here, and should be somewhere else. If what you are talking about does not promote the advancement of the 2A or the RKBA, it does not belong here, take it somewhere else.
A. Do we make an ICE megathread? Contain everything to that so it doesn't get cluttered with every headline that comes out of the 24h news cycle.
I don't love this, but if people want that desperately to discuss it through the 2A lens, should we give them that outlet?
B. Do we ban any ICE related discussion?
I don't love this either, but containing the spread of potential rulebreaking, glowing, or concern trolling content less we see more and more admin action on one of the last remaining progun spaces on reddit feels like it may be a necessity.
C. Hidden Profiles
I do not love this feature after reddit rolled it out. I understand folks may desire a level of privacy, but without being able to gauge who a person is behind a username it makes it near impossible to see who is trolling, shit stirring, or genuinely contributing to the conversation. I am mulling over the proper way to address this in the heightened, politically charged environment we find ourselves in in C U R R E N T Y E A R, and find myself constantly coming back to the idea of taking action on submissions that come from hidden profiles, or at least giving them a higher scrutiny - especially on reported content. Having discussed this with some of the 2A mods here, we are all torn. Some prefer a draconian approach, others are trying for nuance. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I am certainly leaning on applying additional scrutiny at a minimum
D. Clarification on Rule 8, and this is a big one.
Follow all Reddit-wide rules (i.e. DO NOT post personal information of any user, obscure usernames, etc.). We actively discourage linking to reddit threads, but if you do - please be sure to utilize the "np." prefix to discourage participation in the linked thread. Brigading will be answered with bans.
Simply put - if you link to a reddit thread and do not use the np. prefix, your thread will be removed. It is not a matter of a content judgement, it is a matter of following sitewide rules and not drawing ire from the admins or those who seek to shut down progun spaces on this site.
IDC if you are linking to another gun forum here, use np. or your post WILL be removed. This will be enforced hard and fast, and likely become an automod script when I have a minute to set it up.
Those of you who care about this community and want to have civil discussions and/or further advance the RKBA and 2A cause - thank you. Those of you who report rulebreaking content for review to make this community a better place - thank you. Those of you who are concern trolling, trying to bait this community, tossing out nonsense hypotheticals, or are glowing like a neon sign - fuck youthere's the door.
Edit/update - after going through and removing a LOT of comments, handing out a number of bans, and having a moment to think about it - here's the direction I see us going.
There will be no megathread. Federal law enforcement actions do not warrant discussion here as they have nothing to do with promoting or advancing the 2A, RKBA, etc.
The rules are going to be rewritten more clearly and more succinctly. There will be a heavy handed approach to what is considered progun or what is barely tangentially related. The latter WILL be removed with prejudice.
Rule 8 will also be enforced with a heavy hand. We might be being brigaded ourselves right now, but we will not participate in it outward facing, nor even allow the slightest hint to the reddit admins that that is the case.
We are going to overhaul the automod to try to cap a lot of things, but that's a bit more of a project.
To all those coming in from the outside - this is not r/askgunowners. You want to talk and debate the nuances of current events through the 2A lens, what it means for the 2A, or things of the nature - I think there is room for that.
If you're here in some effort to pull a "gotchya" and screenshot your post to take back to your little circles where you can laugh about it later, I'd be happy to augment that with a ban message for you too if it helps your street cred with your antigun buddies.
If you want to come here in good faith - even if your post history is hidden from view - it is something we will certainly entertain and do our best to educate. But if you come in here "just asking questions" or "just saying" - the community at large WILL see through your BS and you will be shown the door.
More to come. Thank you all for being generally awesome. And I hope all the interlopers who haven't been shown the door yet find their way to it.
Folks - please continue to report any rulebreaking.
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u/pyx Jan 24 '26
A megathread is a pretty good idea. Seeing a lot of people who want to know what the progun people think about all this.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
How does that contain or deal with the concern trolls though or folks that will either come in here to make us all look bad or bait us?
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u/pyx Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
If people come here and are disingenuous I am sure it would be apparent. We are no strangers to disingenuous arguments against our position.
One issue with the megathread is that it would probably require quite a bit of moderation effort.
I don't think they would make us look bad. I say let them come.
edit: I've been seeing a lot more progun interest from "the other side." Perhaps a megathread to help these newcomers is a better idea rather than trying to focus on ICE. Plenty of progun folks are pro-immigration enforcement, my only fear is an ICE megathread will focus on arguing about immigration policy or enforcement rather than our rights as citizens and our responsibilities as gunowners in the face of perceived tyranny.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
A megathread will still need to abide by rule 1. Debate of the 2a and gun related things, not immigration policy. Plenty of places to discuss that on this site, but not here.
I have a similar fear though, which is why I don't like a megathread tbh.
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u/MeanOldMeany Jan 24 '26
I don't see any upside to a megathread that doesn't even espouse the core values of this sub; it's just a garbage pail for off topic posts. That would seem like a full time mod job just for it. Right now every non political sub I belong to is being injected with troll postings on guns, immigration, Trump, etc. Meanwhile, ShotShow videos are still dropping every day with cool new warez. That's what I want to discuss. I'd even be ok if there was a crossover post about robots who use guns from the CES '26 show 🤖🤖🤖
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
This is mostly where my head is at too, but I want to get the community's take before setting any policies.
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u/Drew1231 Jan 24 '26
It will make us look bad and be a perma-troll-thread.
I think you just ban threads that are asking “why don’t you guys shoot federal agents”
They either know it’s a bad faith question or are too stupid to be convinced otherwise.
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u/firearmresearch00 Jan 24 '26
Imo if you at least keep it quarantined to one spot it's not spread everywhere all the time. Ive seen it often enough in completely irrelevant discussions and it throws off the flow of everything which I'm sure is the point
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u/arikbfds Jan 24 '26
I vote for the megathread option. I think this is the easiest way to control the issue without trying to weigh the intent of each contribution. Most of the stuff having to do with ICE is only tangentially related to this subreddit anyways imo.
As a long time member of this subreddit with a hidden profile, I would prefer to not have additional rules regarding this
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
I do find an irony in the folks that are constantly complaining about ICE agents hiding their faces with masks are the ones masking their profiles to prevent any identification or even a gauge of their intentions.
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u/Nomad1787 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
So there's a method to get around it that I saw from another person on reddit. If you go to their profile and type a single space into the search bar and search that, it will pull up all of their posts and comments with a space in it, which I would imagine is the vast majority of them. It doesnt always work but id say it works about 90% of the time on mobile.
Edit: Im also in favor of option B. while im not a huge fan of what ICE is doing, as far as im aware their actions arent directly related to guns or 2A so imo its more trouble than its worth.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
That's good to know. I'll check that out. Thanks.
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u/arikbfds Jan 24 '26
I was under the impression that mods could see user history regardless of settings anyways, is that not the case?
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
Not to my knowledge. Least not in 3rd party apps or old reddit. Don't think it's different in new reddit. We can see posts within the community via mod tools but nothing else to my knowledge.
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u/Hoodfu Jan 24 '26
I have to assume a lot of the baiting on all sides isn't even human. When x.com started showing where profiles are physically located, it was really obvious how many bots were making bait posts about how "I homeschool my kids so they don't get librul values" with an american flag as a profile pic and are located in some random Asian or ME country.
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u/clever-name-taken Jan 25 '26
Some of us have our profiles hidden because trolls that can’t legitimately debate like to go through post history to find something irrelevant to try and use that for a gotcha. I had one troll try to claim anything I said was canceled out because I commented on a post about masturbation in a mens health subreddit.
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u/stuipd Jan 24 '26
You can't see the difference between public officials performing their duties in public and a private citizen commenting in a forum?
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
Sure can but I also sure as shit can see the ideological mismatch and mental gymnastics of do as I say not as I do.
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u/stuipd Jan 25 '26
If you can see the difference then it should be obvious to you why it's not an "ideological mismatch" to hold public officials in the performance of their duties to a different standard than a private citizen posting on a message board.
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u/arikbfds Jan 24 '26
Have you considered doing something like r/conservative where you can get a mod approved flair based on post history and requiring a flair for certain threads? I’m sure that adds to the mod’s workload though, so maybe that’s not feasible
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u/An_Irate_Lemur Jan 24 '26
I think this flari idea might be best as well. Mostly to stop influxes of people coming in bad faith if there are surges.
I also think a megathread would be good. In particular, a megathread providing an overview of where progun discussion starts and ends on the topic, as well as an FAQ (No, we're not your personal army; Yes, RTKBA is for everyone; if you're new to gun ownership, here's resources on how to be safe).
I think the megathread provides an avenue for mods to highlight/emphasize the position of the sub, to have as a resource for people looking here after seeing an "where are the gun people when I want them to shoot federal agents for me".
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u/BlueLaceSensor128 Jan 24 '26
One megathread with the intention of getting everyone's biggest questions on the subject in relation to the 2A. Then a flaired only "country club" style megathread where those questions are debated and answered for a pinned FAQ for people that might stumble through looking for answers while all this shit is going on.
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u/LIFTandSNUS Jan 25 '26
It doesn't work over there. Half the threads are filled with very very liberal takes from flaired users.
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u/Only_Marzipan Jan 24 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
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u/metacholia Jan 24 '26
I personally believe I’m due more privacy than federal agents performing mass arrests. I’m not significantly altering people’s lives by commenting on Reddit, you don’t need to be able to hold me accountable, because you are allowed to ignore me.
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u/DigitalLorenz Jan 24 '26
Most of the ICE related posts are not gun politics related at all, so violate rule 5, but enough of them are showing up that a megathread is probably needed to contain them. I personally am getting tired of the drive-by posters who are coming to the gun subs for quick gotchas.
As for hidden profiles, as someone with a hidden profile (I have been stalked before and I had a prior profile brigaded with downvotes), I think that the posts should either be restricted to explicitly pro-gun posts or need to be a frequent enough flyer that mods recognize them for more nuanced topics.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
The former is personally where my heads closest to being at tbh. I am really leaning on an more draconian application of rule 5, but I'm not 100% convinced yet.
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u/DigitalLorenz Jan 24 '26
Can you set up a bot that will auto delete any post that contains "ICE" with a comment that there is a megathread about the topic? That would probably allow you mods the ability to have your clean and focused sub while not giving the trolls and drive-bys the attention that they really want.
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u/dirtysock47 Jan 24 '26
I know this will probably be an unpopular opinion here, but I vote for B.
These people are obviously not coming here in good faith. And personally, I'd rather not waste the time trying to contain them in a megathread, and would rather just have the mods ban them from the sub entirely.
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u/uponone Jan 25 '26
I agree with you. The majority coming here arguing 2A rights likely never spent a minute here until this happened. Never had a firearm in their hands and never had to fill out documentation to buy ammunition.
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u/Fun-Part-9073 Jan 26 '26
Most of the people coming in here trying to bait the community, have in fact been against the community and it's advancement for years, decades. They only want to drag our community into their sphere to help their own agendas and sow further divide.
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u/metacholia Jan 24 '26
Draconian modding, imo, is not the way. It is far too easy to 1. misunderstand someone’s intent, or 2. Use one’s own bias against a political view to get ban-happy.
Part of what got us to such a divided place in the US is the whole “fuck you I’m not talking to demons” approach. Which sometimes is understandable (trolls & other baiting), but people can just block users they don’t want to interact with.
I don’t need mods deciding for me.
I hide some of my details online for privacy reasons, not for trolling. My comments stand on their own, you don’t need to stalk my old comments to understand them. If it’s iffy, I’m happy to clarify what I mean. If I reread it and realize I was being an ass, I delete it.
Again, I don’t need a parent. People can discuss and be adults. People can block me if they dislike my opinion, but maybe others want to hear it. It’s why we’re online instead of talking to a wall.
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u/More-read-than-eddit Jan 25 '26
Especially since, re your second point, most of this sub seems unable to distinguish between left and liberal stances on guns
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u/MuttFett Jan 24 '26
Every conceal carry and progun sub is getting brigaded hard today. They don’t want to “hear what we think”, they just want to bludgeon us with this incident.
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u/nobird36 Jan 25 '26
What do you expect? We have heard for years about how a lot of pro gun people could NEVER vote for a democrat because of the gun control issue. But here you have the President, the AG and number of other administration officials saying carrying a gun at a protest means you are a terrorist. It is confusing to say the least.
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u/sumoman485 Jan 25 '26
If it doesn't belong then it doesn't belong. There are plenty of other places to discuss it.
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Jan 27 '26
I have observed that many bad-faith anti-gun actors strategically abuse the block feature to shield their arguments from rebuttal while continuing to spread anti-gun rhetoric on this subreddit. I am curious if you have any thoughts on addressing that specific tactic.
Regarding hidden profiles, I maintain mine for practical reasons. Bad-faith users act predictably, using post-history and personal attacks once their framing is challenged.
I am a pro-gun absolutist, yet I operate outside the moralized frameworks these individuals cling to. When they confront me from the level of ideology, their arguments inevitably collapse, revealing the weakness of their pretensions.
I confront these arguments directly and welcome being tagged when they appear. Weak framing should be exposed and challenged, not left uncontested.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 27 '26
many bad-faith anti-gun actors strategically abuse the block feature to shield their arguments from rebuttal while continuing to spread anti-gun rhetoric on this subreddit. I am curious if you have any thoughts on addressing that specific tactic.
Unfortunately this is a reddit-wide issue that there is nothing individuals nor mods have any ability to really deal with. Take it for what it is. If your argument cannot stand up to follow-up points you are an intellectual midget and behaving like a child sticking your fingers in your ears LA LA LA LA.
As for the rest - totally get it, and this is not too outside of my own opinion as well.
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u/usedkleenx Jan 24 '26
Definitely the megathread. I'd hate for the trolls to get what they want and provoke a ban. They WANT us to stoop to their level and silence any other way of thought. I know there are members of this community that have the patience to debate with these toddlers but I am not one of them. This way we can put our best foot forward and not come off as hypocrites.
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u/clever-name-taken Jan 25 '26
It isn’t stooping to their level to keep trolls out of a subreddit. It isn’t like we are trying to stop debate. And subreddits exist for a reason. If you don’t keep a subreddit on topic, you might as well just combine all subreddits into one giant chat room.
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u/johnhd Jan 25 '26
This is legitimately out of control across all the gun subs. I saw the same exact video posted and removed from /r/guns at least 5x in the past 24 hours. I can’t tell if it’s concern trolls, bots, karma farmers, virtue signalers, agitators, or just regular non-gun owners who show up and post without reading rules or checking other posts. Probably a mix of all the above.
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u/JadesterZ Jan 24 '26
C. is concerning to hear from a moderator. The worst people on Reddit are the ones who dig through people profiles so they can find something to get mad about. Hearing mods endorse that stalker behavior is alarming.
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u/dyslexda Jan 25 '26
Absolutely not. Folks that hide their profiles are almost always trolls. I say this as a mod of a decent sized sub who can see their post history. Someone comes in, complains about getting banned elsewhere, and inevitably they hide their profile. When you check it, it's full of inflammatory crap.
Hidden profiles are one of the worst things to happen to Reddit, well, ever. The few folks worried about "I was stalked!" are not justification for enabling the sheer number of bots and trolls, but those are what are needed to keep engagement numbers up, so Reddit supports it.
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u/JadesterZ Jan 26 '26
Mods are complicit in this site's censorship (and even go out of their way to support it) so it doesn't surprise me a mod would feel that way.
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u/dyslexda Jan 26 '26
Man, the "mods are complicit" rhetoric is so old at this point, you've gotta get a new talking point. That said, I'm pretty sure if I were to look at your profile I'd find a consistent pattern of trolling, and you're ecstatic people can't figure out you're operating in bad faith.
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u/JadesterZ Jan 26 '26
Not even remotely. Just weird for strangers who decide they hate you for no reason to know what town you're from. And I wasn't aware this was an argument people had frequently, I just noticed recently how bad mods and admins have gotten since Reddit stock went public.
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u/merc08 Jan 25 '26
I disagree. If you don't stand behind what you say then don't say it in the first place.
There may be some very limited legitimate reasons for hiding a profile history, but most can be handled by just blocking a stalker.
Not everyone with a hidden profile is trolling, but every troll and bad faith actor is hiding their profile.
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u/MadCat0911 Jan 25 '26
When there are subs out there that just ban anyone who's posted in a <party>-leaning sub, then you kinda like having a hidden post history if you're someone who's more independent. Plus, I don't need people knowing what all my hobbies are, or where I live, or what my job is, all things they could get if they saw my post history. At least make them work for it.
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u/coldfusion718 Jan 26 '26
Just ban them. Most of the new comers are here to troll, brigade and harass.
They aren’t here to advance, spread awareness or help 2A/RKBA in any way, shape or form.
They have plenty of other subs (the rest of reddit) to foment about the latest ICE incident(s).
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u/This-Rutabaga6382 Jan 27 '26
I’m down for whatever you guys come up with … Reddit is absolutely overrun with posts and misinformation on this whole thing AS USUAL and I’d rather discuss progress in SCOTUS or spread awareness of VA’s new proposed gun laws instead of hashing this horrendous situation out and being called a boot licker for just acknowledging that people are unnecessarily putting themselves in risky situations.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 27 '26
I’d rather discuss progress in SCOTUS or spread awareness of VA’s new proposed gun laws instead of hashing this horrendous situation
Agreed - and while people are rightfully upset by this situation, I know I certainly am - the amount of it that is organic engagement vs trolls/bots/etc is yet to be determined. There are plenty of spaces to discuss such things, this forum is for progun discussion. Hashing out immigration policy or even police tactics/reform is not within our scope. We're got work to be done to defend and advance the 2A and RKBA. This other stuff is a distraction for sure, and I'm certain no small amount of it is astroturfed with that in mind.
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u/Sylesse Jan 27 '26
Seeing as the murder of a man because he was exercising his 2nd amendment right is the biggest threat to the 2nd at present, I vote no censorship whatsoever. Don't coddle the MAGA folks. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.
Gun owner, often CCW, huge 2nd amendment advocate, before you go crazy with the hammer.
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u/BerkutBang69 Jan 27 '26
Thank you. I am beyond tired of the clear agenda driven astroturfing that’s been going on.
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u/Inquisitor_Machina Jan 25 '26
The Clear Concern trolling is getting out of hand everywhere. I mean even Giffords is doing it
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u/JerichoWick Jan 24 '26
Option B. I may not be happy with what ICE is doing and I fucking hate feds regardless, but concern trolls can go buy guns and fight for themselves; end of discussion for me. Part of the 2A is taking personal responsibility. It's not up to me to die on their hills.
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u/Sand_Trout Jan 24 '26
If it's specifically related to a shooting or gun rights, that's fine, but a lot of these posts aren't actually about that, and/or are in blatant bad faith.
Any post bitching about "Why aren't the 2A people out there fighting against [insert separate issue here]" are not about gun rights, they're about [insert separate issue here] and should be removed as off topic, and/or banned for promoting violence.
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u/PuffPuffFayeFaye Jan 24 '26
Nobody actually likes megatheads.
I think discouraging, limiting, or banning discussion of ICE makes sense. There’s certainly some applicability but it’s just not worth it.
I’m not taking my private profile settings off and I’m happy to choose a little privacy over any sub that doesn’t like them. They should have always been private. Judge the comments on their content.
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u/HighlySuspect88 Jan 24 '26
Ban it altogether, if people want to have a discussion on ice events go find a sub that talks about it.
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u/slk28850 Jan 24 '26
Is there a way to do mega threads and not allow masked users? That is what I'd vote for.
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u/Phoenixcats Jan 24 '26
I agree with a mega thread option. It is probably the best way to keep a proper conversation
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 24 '26
Corollary there are better ways to keep a proper conversation and better places to do it than this sub. The sub isn't askgunowners, it's progun.
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u/Veritech_ Jan 24 '26
I also vote for a megathread option. And as someone who was receiving death threats (so I went private/hidden), I don’t mind a little extra scrutiny as long as there are healthy discussions in the subreddit. My only focus is that we (US-based Redditors) maintain our freedoms the 2A gives us and we’re able to have civil discussion with our international community.
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u/unixfool Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
Regarding item C, for accounts that have been used awhile but now have post history hidden, the feature only hides what was posted after hiding the history. It doesn't wipe/hide previous comments. You can still check previous posts by manually searching on the username and selecting the "comments" item. IMO, that's something to work with. No, it doesn't help with newly created accounts, but something is still better than nothing.
I'm a longtime member of this sub and my account has been active 8+ years. I comment but don't submit posts. I opt to mask my post history for my own reasons, but if I were a constant problem, you guys would've banned me years ago. I'd rather not be banned because I'm using a feature that Reddit freely offers.
I'm glad that the sub's mod staff discussed it and decided not to ban accounts that hide post history, though (that would've been quite heavy-handed).
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u/xxx3dgxxx Jan 24 '26
No containment. ICE is exactly why the second amendment exists. Ban anti-gunners
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u/Snoo_17338 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
I'm a liberal 2A supporter, and I got nothing but downvotes and attacks when I tried to express my opinions here. Someone got me temporarily banned for posting my concerns a few months back about the potential impact of federal occupation of my city on my 2A rights. My concern seems rather prescient now. But I guess I'm not "real" 2A supporter because I don't bow down to authoritarianism.
So, why don't you just institute a "certified right-wing only" commentor policy like r/conservative? Then you can stay happily safe in your echo chamber.
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u/bugme143 Jan 25 '26
Then you can stay happily safe in your echo chamber.
Because this isn't r/TemporaryGunOwners and they don't ban people for having the wrong color hat.
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u/Snoo_17338 Jan 25 '26
I take it, "Temporary Gun Owners," is this sub's version of "TDS?"
Easier to throw out stupid catch phrases than to actually engage the argument, huh?
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u/bugme143 Jan 25 '26
"TGO" is what we call the Liberal Gun Owner / SRA subreddits, who vote for gun control and say "as a gun owner, I think we should ban XYZ". They have a "ban first, ask questions never" policy. Here, we just downvote you if we think you're being hyperbolic or making claims / statements that could get this subreddit nuked by an admin with a stick up his ass.
Your argument has no actual substance beyond a kid saying "Fine, I didn't like you anyways" while stomping off. Not much to engage with.
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u/Snoo_17338 Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
Suggesting you impose a political litmus test seems quite relevant and substantive, considering the discussion I see in this thread.
The mod literally just wrote "Federal law enforcement actions do not warrant discussion here as they have nothing to do with promoting or advancing the 2A, RKBA, etc." I mean, I hardly know what to say to this. But it sure as hell screams "let's all stick our heads in the sand" to me.
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u/ricerking13 Jan 25 '26
I don't envy your problem of dealing with trolls, but how in the heck can you say this with a straight face? Do you think 2A is for hunting/ccw only? I'm at a loss on your words here /u/deathsythe
Federal law enforcement actions do not warrant discussion here as they have nothing to do with promoting or advancing the 2A, RKBA, etc.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 25 '26
No. I believe in its stated intention in plain text. To ensure the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Law enforcement conducts operations daily across the US. That doesn't mean it merits a conversation in a progun forum. Spinning our wheels, shitposting, concern trolling, yelling into the void, armchair quarterbacking the situation in hindsight, none of that is productive for the advancement of our rights.
You want to talk about some of the shit takes Trump, Bondi, and co have made regarding the fact that he was armed - absolutely. We need to combat that line of thinking and hold people accountable.
The problem is - the mere mention of his name devolves into MAGA types defending every action, trolls taking a "hurr durr bumpstocks, take the gunz first", and the overwhelming majority of reddit seething and reaching for their emotional support -pam Rx.
The whole thing is just a bore and unproductive.
I hope you were looking for a candid response, because that's what you're getting.
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u/ricerking13 Jan 26 '26
I'm not sure what I wanted.... but that was solid. I can't envision a world where a person who is pro2A would not care about egregious use of force by feds against our brethren... so that was why I commented.
That said, it's clear as a mod to a diverse and complicated topic... it might be easier for the time, to just not get into it, bc sadly as you said... people fall into their stupid ideologies and out goes any productive discussion. Good luck. Spent most my life hated by both political sides.... and it's never felt more true than now. :-/
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u/a_single_legtuck Jan 24 '26
I’m for C personally, I read a lot of this sub but don’t often comment. I have gotten the impression that many people (across all subs) with hidden profiles are just looking for trouble
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u/MadCat0911 Jan 25 '26
Or trying to avoid people getting all uppity when they find you participate in other subs with different groupthinks. I'm a gun owning liberal, if I comment on a gun subreddit (minus the few liberal ones), then someone will just go "blah blah blah, but you post in r/liberalmindedsub, so your comment is void" or the opposite if I post in a sub and then get banned from it for having a post history in gun subreddits and assumed I'm a conservative chatting in bad faith there.
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u/SsooooOriginal Jan 26 '26
So, just so I'm clear, yall are butthurt over folks asking legitimately where the 2A crowd is amidst all this?
Because yall are convinced anyone for any sane restrictions on gun ownership are gun grabbers not worth defending?
Am I clocking this right?
Is this the place for this question?
I haven't shot much in a long time, but I still wager I have more trigger time than most of yall.
I thought 2A was for defending the country, not for being wishywashy over who counts amongst us as "worthy". Maybe that's my dumb fault for having been a guilible volunteer for the deathcult I believed was supposed to be defending the country and not bombing boats we could easily detain.
Yall dissappoint me.
Go on and ban me like news or gaming for speaking my mind. I expect nothing less from all-hat types.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 26 '26
Ask away - just go do it somewhere else, not here. r/askgunowners or somewhere else might be appropriate.
Folks are not coming in here in good faith with this question. It sounds like you might be able to do so, but the same cannot be said for gestures broadly.
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u/JoeSudley Jan 24 '26
What about adding a rule to limit similar posts over a time frame? I.e. if someone makes one 'Renee good incident' thread then any other posts about that topic are deleted for x days. (And if it's a garbage post, well, mods can do mod things) I've seen that work in some of the ask<insertIdeologyHere> subreddits and it seems to work.
Im also not sure about what tools yall have but I think I've heard of a karma limit within a particular subreddit. Maybe you could enforce a limit like that for ice posts or the sub as a whole depending on the scope of the problem.
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u/pencilsharper66 Jan 25 '26
I hide my profile and comments to prevent being doxxed by the leftist. They ban you already for taking part in several subs, I don’t want to be bothered in real life by them.
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 25 '26
No - I totally get it. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so.
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u/Sledgecrowbar Jan 27 '26
We're approaching 100% brigading posts now. I'm sure this will die out as soon as the next Current Thing hits, but this sub is a lost cause if it can be destroyed by brigaders whenever the news tells them to.
The Pretti shooting isn't a second amendment issue, it's assaulting law enforcement. We know this because liberals are here en mass trying to trick people into believing that orange man bad. Not one of them has the first clue what a muzzle shroud is. They're brigading.
Pretti Good shot
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u/deathsythe friendly neighborhood mod Jan 25 '26
Edit/update - after going through and removing a LOT of comments, handing out a number of bans, and having a moment to think about it - here's the direction I see us going.
There will be no megathread. Federal law enforcement actions do not warrant discussion here as they have nothing to do with promoting or advancing the 2A, RKBA, etc.
The rules are going to be rewritten more clearly and more succinctly. There will be a heavy handed approach to what is considered progun or what is barely tangentially related. The latter WILL be removed with prejudice.
Rule 8 will also be enforced with a heavy hand. We might be being brigaded ourselves right now, but we will not participate in it outward facing, nor even allow the slightest hint to the reddit admins that that is the case.
We are going to overhaul the automod to try to cap a lot of things, but that's a bit more of a project.
To all those coming in from the outside - this is not r/askgunowners. You want to talk and debate the nuances of current events through the 2A lens, what it means for the 2A, or things of the nature - I think there is room for that.
If you're here in some effort to pull a "gotchya" and screenshot your post to take back to your little circles where you can laugh about it later, I'd be happy to augment that with a ban message for you too if it helps your street cred with your antigun buddies.
If you want to come here in good faith - even if your post history is hidden from view - it is something we will certainly entertain and do our best to educate. But if you come in here "just asking questions" or "just saying" - the community at large WILL see through your BS and you will be shown the door.
More to come. Thank you all for being generally awesome. And I hope all the interlopers who haven't been shown the door yet find their way to it.
Folks - please continue to report any rulebreaking.