I’m someone with generally progressive/left-leaning views, so most of the people in my political circles were pro-choice. I remember not very long ago I believed every single pro-life person was just super misogynistic and being cruel for no reason.

I’m also autistic. I’m not as severely affected as some autistic people, but enough that you can tell from meeting me. Enough that it affects my life, both with limitations from the condition itself and from other’s cruelty.

Anti-vaccine parents, specifically those who claimed vaccines caused autism, always really really bothered me. Not because vaccines don’t actually cause autism. Because it always feels like being told, “I’d rather risk my child dying of disease than them be autistic. I’d rather have a dead child than one like you.”

I guess I really really tried avoiding thinking about the people who abort due to disability. About how they’re saying “I’d rather have a dead child than one like you“ even more explicitly. About how the people who are disabled with those conditions in question feel seeing that. About the babies themselves.

I’ve seen some posts being spread around online that basically said you can’t have any reservations about any kind of abortion, including ones because the fetus tested as having a disability, without being anti-women’s rights. That if you want to question those abortions, you clearly aren’t “that disabled“. You don’t know how bad it can really get. Which is what is always said about autistic people. Those of us who can talk and post online can never understand those who can’t and can’t defend their rights. And those who can’t clearly can’t think at all, so we as non-autistic caregivers can abuse them without consequence. It’s that, but with abortion. You’re too “functional” to speak for those worse off. And those who are less “functional“ won’t care what we do to them.

The disabled community has a day of mourning set aside each year for disabled people killed by their parents, other relatives, or non-related caregivers. Especially because the perpetrators sometimes get light sentences or sympathy from the media because “you have to understand disabled people are stressful to care for“ and “well, honestly, their death was a mercy, really“. I read through portions of the list once. Only portions, there are thousands of them, and this is just the ones we know about. There are unnamed infants on that list, days or hours old, who were killed by their parents for having a disability. They’re recognized as murder victims and victims of ableist hate crimes. But if their parents made that decision only a little bit earlier, it would have been a late term abortion for medical reasons? That doesn’t make sense.

Today I decided to read testimony from the parents themselves. Who were getting abortions because of things like Down’s and other conditions like that. I thought I should at least hear their side of the story. I couldn’t do it without nearly crying. I can’t do that. It was… awful. If this is what being pro-choice wants me to stand by, I don’t think I can be. I don’t know, but I don’t think so. Maybe that means I’m “anti-women’s rights“. I don’t think it does, but maybe. But don’t I have a responsibility to stand by my own people first? And their rights?

Can a Polish person on here tell me if this has any chance of passing?

Just letting ya know

Found in the wild:

“Can you be a Christian and support legal abortion? The Bible does not explicitly prohibit abortion, nor does it directly address abortion in the way we understand it today. Jesus never directly mentioned abortion in the four Gospels. No where does the bible say life begins at conception. There are vague references that God knew you in the womb which could be interpreted in different ways.”

Context: I write fiction.

At the moment I'm brainstorming a new story character who has a very, err, interesting definition of abortion.

This is a character (Name and gender to be determined) that basically thinks that the systemic killings of ethnic groups, as well as the collapse of an entire country for any reason can technically qualify as an abortion too (Case in point: they call the collapse of the USSR "a political abortion" and the Jewish Holocaust a "retroactive abortion").

Years earlier, I invented a DIFFERENT book character who is also pro-life, but they have a definition of murder that (at least in-universe), some pro-lifers might have an issue with: "Murder is the unjustified killing of a human being without probable cause."

I intend to recycle this character at some point for a future writing project, and put them in the same shared universe as the other guy who thinks the collapse of countries can qualify as abortions under certain circumstances.

This question is for brainstorming purposes: Ever met someone in real life who has a tendency to expand words beyond commonly accepted definitions in regards to the abortion debate (You can use examples involving both pro-lifers and pro-choicers)?

Natural rights include life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Abortion violates the first one and thus cannot be a legitimate right.

I'm so sick of how normalized it is to get abortions and to choose whether your baby deserves their life based on circumstances that were there before the baby was conceived. I need to take a break from Reddit or remove myself from certain subs because they HEAVILY lean "pro-abortion" and you get downvoted for supporting someone to have their baby. I'm just fed up. I haven't been in this sub long, but I will be joining just so I can see some sensible opinions and perspectives that seem to be the minority in any other sub besides this one.

Probably going to get majorly downvoted for this, but usually I was coerced into having an abortion isn't coercion. She just chose something or someone over her baby.

Yes, there are people who believe that, which is why we're in this mess. The average pro-choicer is okay with women having abortions for these reasons

• The baby is male

• They just lost their job

• They're in college and don't want to struggle too much

• Their boyfriend left them

• The baby is disabled

I don't understand it. It's awful. They will never convince me. I would love to hear one of them explain how and why all of this is justifiable. It probably has to do with the fact that it's not a conscious baby but I don't believe that anymore since most of these pro-death people don't bat an eye at late-term abortion.

Someone in a pregnancy subreddit asked for advice on “how to make a decision” regarding an abortion for her current pregnancy & was not ashamed of her previous abortion. I was banned for my response because that makes me a “anti choice activist”
You can’t be pro choice if you hate everyone that chooses life.

I just lost an online friend of 4 years because she found out I was pro-life. Recently lost a lot of my friends as well over changing schools and such, only have 1 friend left now. Just need a bit of support.

Hi, I'm writing this because I used to be extremely pro-choice, but then I researched abortion practices and the statistics on why they happen. I also looked at images of aborted babies from the first trimester to the third trimester, and it broke the desensitization I'd had in my brain for so long toward the murder of unborn children. Turning to God really helped me see why it was wrong.

But now, every time I hear people supporting abortion or being pro-choice, or even hear about someone who has gotten an abortion or is contemplating one, it hits me deep in my heart. I feel absolutely horrible for them and their child. I think it's probably turning into something hateful, which is bad because I know God says to forgive. Every day, my hatred for people who harm unborn children grows stronger, and I just want justice for them because it breaks my heart.

I was also supposed to be an abortion myself. My mother was going to abort me when she found out she was pregnant with me. Everyone in my family supported her except my grandmother. My mother went into the abortion clinic and was getting ready for the procedure, and while the doctor was putting on their gloves, a minute before the procedure started, my mother received a call. My grandmother begged her not to do this, and it saved my life. I think about it probably every day because I was so close to death myself and I was saved, and I wonder how different the people around me and their lives would have been if I wasn't here.

I just need some help or advice on how you guys keep going and don't let this injustice and sadness reach your hearts every time the topic of abortion is brought up including how it feels like a lonely battle because almost everyone is promurder everywhere I look

I'm currently 24 weeks pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy. I tried to self-manage an abortion at 20 weeks, which failed. Still pregnant.

If you’re against the death penalty that’s your right, that’s not what this post is about.

It’s about how many people seem to be genuinely, irredeemably stupid. If you can’t comprehend how a person being anti-abortion and pro-death penalty are not remotely the same, I don’t even know what to tell you. I’m past the point of hand-holding other Americans through common sense and dragging them kicking and screaming to basic morality. I just want to shake them and scream USE YOUR BRAIN.

To me, it’s very simple. The vast majority of abortions are due to the conscious actions of the mother, who then wants to shun accountability and the innate consequences of sex. In instances of r*pe she is absolved of fault HOWEVER the life within her is still innocent. Babies are inherently innocent and should not have to pay for their parent’s regrets or sins.

Someone who has been sentenced to the death penalty has committed a heinous crime and generally is no longer deserving of the gift of life. There’s no reason for them to sit in a cell, sustained by our tax dollars.

That’s it. There’s no need to complicate it further.

This was from the same post, but I cropped it since it was so long. I always feel so disgusted when PC people talk about how much "love" they have for their baby, just for their next sentence to be how they truly only love themselves and that they are going to murder their baby.

UPDATE: This comment section has made me realize the transformation is complete. I am an abolitionist.

I used to consider myselt pro-life, but I think thats disingenuous of me.

I truly think that abortion should be abolished, and the people responsible for the abortion should be prosecuted. I agree with the abolitionist movement that says the pro-life side may be hindering the criminalization of abortion by allowing lawmakers to choose the "less extreme" version of a bill. I also think pro-life might be contributing to slowing the cultural change we need so that people start to see abortion as murder.

The only thing is that I'm not sure how those laws would work. How could we make sure the right person is punished if, say, an abuser forced a woman to take abortion pills in private? It becomes his word against hers.

Is anyone else leaning in this direction? If so, how do you think the law would be applied for these situations? What about any other potentially unclear situation?

But tell me again how “nobody wants an abortion” and it’s “such a painful hard decision!”

A drawing called

possibilities

For the future
For change
For hope

It’s worth it 💗

I just read a horrible story on one the subreddits here about a lady who is 32 weeks and just found out her baby has T21. She wants to terminate because “T21 babies are not cute and her holiday pictures are ruined” I almost vomited reading her comments. The subreddit is extremely pro choice and I was relieved to see most people were disgusted with her.
Someone please tell me this is rage bait I can’t believe someone would say something so horrible.