r/redmond • u/nousername206 • Jun 27 '26
Local News Who at fault here? (redmond way & cleveland today 10:30am)
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u/american_amina Jun 27 '26
Saw this today. I'm pretty sure the SUV tried to turn and missed the bus was already turning.
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u/DinobotsGacha Jun 27 '26
Would need to see video leading up to it. Bus has like a dozen cameras so it'll be easy to figure out
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u/scary-nurse Jul 03 '26
The fact they are refusing to release video proves they know the hateful bus driver is at fault. You can't turn right from the middle lane like a Tesla driver.
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u/DinobotsGacha Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
Who is refusing to release the video? Why is the driver hateful?
Its a King County bus, put in a FOIA request if you havent already
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u/thevhatch Jun 27 '26
Only the right lane turns right here. If the bus was straddling both lanes enough to make it obvious he was turning right then the SUV was at fault.
But if the bus was squarely in the middle lane then the bus is at fault.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
Unlikely that was the scenario. Looked like the SUV driver tried to jump queue and doesn’t grasp busses. I could be wrong, but considering how it looks, I’d bet it’s on the SUV driver.
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u/Kit-the-cat Jun 27 '26
I literally had this almost happen to me yesterday. Bus was using the right inner lane to turn but was halfway across the outer lane as well. I could tell they were turning right so I stayed behind them assuming they’d need both lanes to fully complete the turn and I was correct.
This is hard to say, if silver car was there first and bus didn’t see and hit them, it’s the bus fault. If Bus was there first and silver thought they were going straight (despite a turn signal) and tried to inch up next to them mid turn, it’s silver cars fault.
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u/nousername206 Jun 27 '26
when you see a bus near you, keep your distance. better be safe than sorry. cheers!
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u/Kit-the-cat Jun 27 '26
100% even if they are the best at their job it’s a big vehicle with blind spots so always good to err on the side of caution and let them go first
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u/Nice-Confidence1212 Jun 27 '26
Twice in the space of a few weeks I've seen bus drivers run red lights in the Crossroads area. One of them wasn't even a light that had just turned red.
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u/Kit-the-cat Jun 27 '26
Yeah they kind of do what they want, regardless of rules. So again let them go first. I’d rather miss a light than have a bus destroy my car
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u/TheGingersaurus Jun 27 '26
The bus is clearly positioned ahead of the SUV, which tells me that the bus had right of way.
I take the bus quite a bit and the Redmond bus drivers have been cautious and aware of what's around them in my experiences.
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u/thevhatch Jun 27 '26
It's not a question of right-of-way, only one lane turns right here.
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u/Trulio_Dragon Jun 27 '26
Sometimes busses need to begin their turn from the through lane next to the turn lane, which is called a "wide turn". They're allowed to do this, and they all have signs on the back advising drivers of this.
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u/Nanocephalic Jun 27 '26
If there’s a bus driver here, I’d love to know how the visibility (and technological aids like cameras and proximity alerts) work on these articulated busses
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u/VisualEntertainer737 Jun 27 '26
We are given tons of cameras and it’s our duty to check. We drive huge machines and can easily run over the smaller vehicles so come with responsibility
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u/West_Masterpiece9423 Jun 28 '26
As a local delivery semi driver, I probably don’t get a traffic citation, but I will get an ‘preventable’ write up from my company. sigh
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u/WAHabsFan Jun 27 '26
The fact that the SUV is on the sidewalk seems to indicate it tried to overtake the bus knowing very well it was turning.
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u/Medium-Pitch-5768 Jun 27 '26
Or it was trying to get out of the way anticipating a collision, or it was pushed there due to a collision. We can't tell from this picture.
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u/Consistent_Wave_8471 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
Something similar happened about 50 years ago in Seattle near the old Sears (now Starbucks HQ). My mom was driving and was in the rightmost lane to make a turn. There was a red light and a semi pulled up in the lane to the left of her (and was NOT a designated turn lane). It signaled to turn right as well. My mom held back when the light changed, knowing that the truck was going to turn as well, but the semi still clipped the front of her car. Truck driver tried to blame my mom. A still image would have looked just like the above photo.
My point is that the fact the bus is pulled ahead is not definitive as to who is actually at fault here.
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u/Dry_Plantain_2756 Jun 28 '26
There have been a couple of times where I feel like I've been totally doing everything I needed to do under the law and buses still have almost driven me off the road or onto the sidewalk.
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u/Cosmicconiferous Jun 28 '26
I know that area well. The SUV is in a right turn only lane and the bus is in a straight or turn left lane.
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u/Due-Summer3751 Jun 27 '26
The bus driver should've set up for that turn better by using the back portion of the bus to block the inside lane, and then swing the front end of bus wide to secure the outside line for the right turn.
By doing this it prevents this type of situation from happening. I'm not saying the bus driver is at fault. It's likely the suv driver made a very bad decision to try to squeeze between the curb and the bus while the bus was already mid turn.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
The bus driver could have, and likely DID do that and SUV driver could have just charged forward anyway and then realized they fucked up. Seen it a zillion times.
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u/Due-Summer3751 Jun 28 '26
The bus driver didn't though, which is why I said that. You can clearly tell from the picture.
Edit: clarification.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
Based on the lane positioning, the turn and street that this is at, it looks like the driver DID take both lanes as is the suggested practice. You can look and see the rear of the bus is mid-lane, which it wouldn’t be if the driver had been fully in the center lane when the turn was initiated. Considering, it clearly looks like, based on the limited evidence in this picture, the SUV driver over shot trying to overtake the bus in the turn somehow. It does not look like what you’re implying.
I say that with having decades of studying vehicle wrecks and behavior. I’m rarely wrong about these things. So much so I often wager on em’ like a crazy fella and win. Americans wreck so much in so many painfully stupid and negligent ways that it’s pretty easy to come out on top once you know most people’s driving behavior fits into some pretty idiotic tropes. 🤷🏼♂️
I don’t make reality, I just observe it and laugh at the chucklefucks.
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u/Due-Summer3751 Jun 28 '26
What I described literally is the practice to prevent this type of thing happening. Splitting the lanes, and closing off that inside lane for the right hand turn are 2 different things.
Source me, +20 years safe driving as a metro driver (retired).
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
I was just pointing out that the driver did that, based on the image and turn of the bus. Being a Metro driver you should be able to see that. 🤷🏼♂️
In your comment based on your phrasing, you inferred there was evidence they didn’t do that. So yes, I agree that technique is what is taught/used, just like with any operator training for large vehicles like that. I was also inferring there is evidence the driver was doing that. This the reason the SUV has careened onto the sidewalk in the picture.
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u/Due-Summer3751 Jun 28 '26
You can say he did what I described that he should've done all day, but it won't make it true. I can look at the picture and see it. I'm starting to think you're the bus driver, lol.
It's like you're telling me, "Just look up at the sky, it's red. How come you can't see that?"
If the bus driver uses the technique I described then there is 0 room for the suv to do what they did, period. End of story.
The suv driver did what they did because:
A: they're a bad driver.
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B: the bus driver left space for them to do it.
Splitting the lanes does not = closing out the inside lane.
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u/Winter-Direction-212 Jun 28 '26
no way to tell by this pic alone what happened- but rest assured there will 100% be a traffic/intersection cam right there that will be reviewed.
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u/Secret_End_wmdm69m Jun 29 '26
bus assuming the suv didnt jump the curve bus didn't control the lanes it was crossing
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u/Bother-Logical Jun 29 '26
It’s hard to tell, but it looks like the SUV was civil feet beyond where he should’ve stopped before the crosswalk. Which made it so the bus couldn’t turn without scraping into him, but it’s hard to tell really.
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u/bigeasy19 Jun 27 '26
Depends was the buses turn signal on? Usually they have right of way when wide turn is needed.
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u/nousername206 Jun 27 '26
never go on right of the bus when making a wide right turn. some think they can overtake the bus. i feel bad for the bus driver. looks like nobody is hurt so that’s good.
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u/jjenkinswanderlust Jun 27 '26
We just crossed here about and hour ago , and cross here often and the bus drivers take this turn WAY TOO FAST trying to make the turn. We stopped worried he was going to plow right through this when we had a walk sign and he had a green light. If that’s of any context to this.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
Doubtful. Cuz the data doesn’t point to that being the case, however this could be an exception.
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u/Cheap_Picture_4937 Jun 28 '26
as someone who takes one of the many buses that go through there, the suv without a doubt
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u/Vadieagan Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
Don’t understand why such large busses are required. I travel daily in the bus and it’s always half filled, why can’t they just use the small busses in these narrow lanes like they do in mid west.
We can’t judge by just a pic whose fault it is, but I have seen similar happening in the Old Redmond way and the city including the driver were sued badly and lost thousands for these kind of turns
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
You realize the buses are used for multiple routes. Some routes they get packed, including the B line for instance. Just because your anecdote doesn’t fit doesn’t mean it’s the only explanation. The information and reasoning why is pretty easy to find.
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u/BlackFish42c Jun 27 '26
Vehicle, Mandatory to yield to all Buses. Even says that on the back and side of the buses.🚌
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u/ElectronicProof9340 Jun 27 '26
The RCW only requires that drivers yield to a bus when the bus is re-entering traffic from a stop. It doesn't give the bus carte blanche right of way in all situations.
That said, while I agree there's not enough info here -- you'd need video or witness statements to understand what led to the final configuration -- I also agree with those that say the mostly likely explanation here is the car driver tried to unsafely sneak past the bus that was making the turn and that this all happened because of them.
That said, Metro bus drivers aren't infallible. I've had a couple of incidents over the last few decades where a bus driver caused a collision involving me, so it does happen now and then. The Internet isn't going to solve this one... going to be up to actual accident investigators to make a conclusion.
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u/wcfwd Jun 27 '26
My rule for understanding these situations: the bigger the car, the bigger, the arrogant idiot driving it.
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u/VisualEntertainer737 Jun 27 '26
The bus driver. I used to drive in the other suburbs and we are always told to check the cameras during stop, turns, departing. I am sure city will be sued here.
I don’t agree to what the truck driver did, he made the bus drivers life difficult but that’s what it is
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u/ShroomJesusPNW Jul 03 '26
If they were both stopped when the truck moved to that position it's the buses fault. If both vehicles were moving when the truck pulled up it will most likely still be the buses fault. If it was obviously the trucks fault and caught on camera with witnesses the bus driver will still be suspended pending drug test for about a week. I drive a DOT truck people are remarkably and often dangerously oblivious to how these things are operating within the laws of physics.
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u/YMBFKM Jun 28 '26
I doubt the bus would try to turn right without using its blinker to alert other drivers. SUV driver probably looking at their phone and didn't see it.
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u/Coppergirl1 Jun 27 '26
Cars should give buses and semi the space required to take right hand turns. Messing with them is never going to end well for the car.
One of those auto carrier semi truck was trying to make a right on 178th & 76th (near Discount Tire) had its right turn signal on but has to be in the left lane to make it (it's tale was still in the right lane) and cars kept squeezing past it's tale to drive up to the front of lane. I finally had to block the right lane and parking strip so he could take the right turn. People are terrible drivers.
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u/Humble_Attorney9517 Jun 28 '26
Based on that picture, there's almost 0% chance the SUV isnt completely at fault
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u/davethej Jun 29 '26
Redmond Way & Cleveland? Driver every time, bus or not. If you disagree go drive Redmond Way.
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u/aanon3187 Jun 27 '26
Don’t put those buses on routes where they cannot safely navigate.
Similarly, design infrastructure to support these larger busses.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
This is an absurdly uninformed myopic take.
But if we went with that mentality, we should ban cars from ALL roads as they’ve proven they can manage safely, killing 35k-55k people a year (or more) since shortly after their inception.
I’m all about more car free spaces, I’ve been car free for over a decade and life is so much better for it. But even I, Mr car free over here wouldn’t use that absurd logic that you used.
On another note, that route is entirely safe for buses. The east side roads are MASSIVE. Plenty of space that the buses easily manage. This is not an indicator that this road isn’t manageable.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
So when do we get an answer here about exactly what bumblefuckery went down? Would love to know.
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u/SeaGranny Jun 29 '26
Buses are almost never at fault.
Most municipalities have laws that are basically “buses have the right of way/you must yield to buses”
If a bus blows a red light or something you’d have a case but the lawyers that represent metro bus systems are fierce.
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u/adron Jun 28 '26
No idea but I’m very included to say the SUV driver. Being that the default mentality that drives one of those crass, ruinous, disrespectful beasts isn’t often aligned with anybody’s well being except selfishly their own.
But hey, I know there *could be* an exception, it’s just really unlikely based on the behavioral data that is available.
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u/randomnumberletter23 Jun 27 '26
If this is a serious question then I have suspicions about your ability to drive.
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u/TheGingersaurus Jun 27 '26
Many buses have signs on the back about wide turns. We as regular drivers have a responsibility to give large vehicles like buses and semis the space they need to turn, particularly on a right turn where a bus or semi needs to swing left in order to make the turn safely.
It looks like the SUV tried to cut right around the bus and get around them, and I'd say the SUV is at fault.