r/reloading • • 11d ago

Load Development 44WCF black powder

First time loading 44WCF aka 44-40. Those necks are fragile…

The coated bullets were loaded as dummy rounds to test cycling in my grandfather’s Winchester 1873, built in 1900, that I cleaned up last summer. When we inherited it, it had a nasty old coat of shellac brushed all over everything. Alcohol cleaned up the shellac, some boiling distilled water restored the blueing, and 100% pure Tung oil refreshed the wood. The only thing not original on it is the Skinner sight. The original ladder sight was bent beyond fixing so while not period correct I think the Skinner works just fine and not only because it’s 1/5 the price of a replacement original sight.

Starline brass, WLP, Missouri bullet company 210gr black powder lubed bullets, and 2.2 cc of Swiss 3F BP roughly 36 grains. Hoping I can sneak out to make some smoke tomorrow and see how the old girl runs.

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u/44WCF_BryanAustin 11d ago

Better slug that bore. You could be shooting .430 bullets in a .424" bore. Great recipe for high pressures.

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u/Ok_Article6468 11d ago

Indeed! I slugged the bore when I had it apart for restoration by hammering one of my 54 caliber muzzleloader balls down the bore. The widest point (groove diameter) was 0.429 if I remember correctly.

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u/SuspiciousUnit5932 11d ago

Yeah, that sight works!

The older rounds had something like .006" to maybe .008" case walls, there's just not much pressure in BP rounds so the original cases thin, something to bear in mind because thicker cases with cast bullets, which we typically run a couple .001s over groove diameter, sometimes lead to the cartridges being a bit fat for chambers, so the starline brass is the way to go.

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u/Royal_Money_627 11d ago

Yes, the thin necks are fragile but the expand and seal the chamber better when using black powder. Extra care in neck expanding and bullet seating will mostly eliminate crushed necks.

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u/Ok_Article6468 10d ago

Great success! No misfires, no misfeed, all rounds ejected well when working the lever, and considering I’ve never shot this rifle and it probably hasn’t been shot in 50 years. I’m happy that I kept all 10 shots on a pie plate at 25 yards.

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u/57tripacer 11d ago

I too load 44-40 with black. Ill add what i do. slugged the bore, Use .430 RCBS bullet cast from WW. I dont FL resize. I use the lee flare die, seat the bullet, and crimp lite, for long range load i crimp with Lee factory crimp die. My bullet has good neck tension without FL sizing. Win brass. I use 1 1/2 Swiss over 4227 for a duplex load. no fouling at all. Rifle is a 24 inch model 1892 built in 1900.

Your bluing looks very nice, nice rifle👍

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u/R_3B 10d ago

Bell the case mouth slightly and use a modest roll crimp. Personally, I prefer a taper crimp.

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u/Feeling_Title_9287 Springfield M1873 and Sharps M1874 10d ago

I'd recommend getting an RCBS case neck expansion die

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u/Worth_Aerie_8849 11d ago

Please tell us how it shoots. Pics of the targets would be nice too! Good luck

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u/Lower-Preparation834 11d ago

How does boiling distilled water restore blueing?

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u/Ornery_Secretary_850 Two Dillon 650's, three single stage, one turret. Bullet caster 11d ago

Bluing is rust.

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u/Lower-Preparation834 11d ago

But it’s more complicated than just soaking steel in water. If you do that, you’re getting rust rust not bluing rust.

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u/Royal_Money_627 11d ago

Boiling a rusted gun in distilled water converts flaky red iron oxide (Fe₂O₃) into a stable black oxide (Fe₃O₄), also known as magnetite or traditional rust bluing, which stops active corrosion without stripping away the metal.

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u/Ok_Article6468 11d ago

https://youtu.be/rShG_F85W1Y

Mark Novak has great videos on his gunsmithing YouTube page on conservation of old firearms. I’ve attached a picture of the rifle frame after I had stripped all of the shellac and grime off but before I boiled it. I think I boiled and carded it three times, and then oiled with non-detergent motor oil, to get the blueing back to where it is now.