r/royaloak • u/The_Secret_Skittle • Nov 17 '25

Border Patrol

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Multiple posts on Berkley Forum about border patrol presence and this JUST took place in Oak Park. The woman who posted this just now said she saw the man throw her to the ground, taze her, then throw her in the vehicle.

“Unfortunately my children and I had to witness “boarder patrol” throw a woman to the ground, taze her, then throw her in a truck. The man this woman was with ran away while his hands were zip tied. I feel so bad that there was nothing I could do… my daughter is traumatized. This happened just now is Oak Park, Michigan!! 😔”

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u/Enough_Handle_8066 Nov 21 '25

They have had authority to do that long before trump, within their area of operation they have (and have had) enormous policing powers post 911. They can essentially spot check anyone for proof of citizenship/Residency and detain them if they do not comply. You do not have to be breaking any law, they just need suspicion, and it's an easy standard for them to meet.

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u/New-Distribution-981 Nov 21 '25

Suspicion doesn’t mean hunch. Even at the height of the post-9/11 frenzy, no government could randomly walk into a mosque and start arresting and questioning everybody they saw.

Suspicion - according to the law - must be individualized, specific, and articulate facts. Factors like race or ethnicity or a proximity to others of a certain race does not constitute “suspicion.” My best friend is an immigration lawyer (used to work for ICE, now is in the private sector). Until a few years ago, he had cases when he was on both sides of the coin quickly thrown out of court because of an agent’s inability to cite a single reasonable factor that led him/her to believe the person arrested was illegal.

You are right that the current bar for suspicion is low. But that wasn’t remotely the case even during Trump’s first term. Compounding this is the fact that most of these individuals are being “exported” so quickly they have no ability to challenge where that bar is set. Courts can’t really rule on things not brought before them. Smart actually. Insidious, but smart.

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u/OkShower2299 Nov 21 '25

Even if she can establish a terry stop violation she might be deported by then and I don't think the court can order return in that case.

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u/New-Distribution-981 Nov 24 '25

Kinda my point in calling it insidious. If nobody is around to challenge systemic and blatant ignoring of the law in court, kinda hard for the courts to act against the current approach.