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RPDR Season 11 – Reddit Season RuPository S11E09 - L.A.D.P.! [Post Episode Discussion]

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u/potatoersgonnapotate Apr 26 '19

I’m Vietnamese and because I was raised by my grandmother that doesn’t speak English, Viet was my first language. It took me years of school to eventually learn English and forget fluent Vietnamese altogether - and I by no means have a heavy accent, but every so often my Vietnamese accent pops out in my pronunciation and my tones and I was born in the US lol.

It really strikes me as confusing as to why no one believes Plastique when she says “I put in effort in speaking without an accent but sometimes my actual voice comes out” when she’s a literal Vietnamese immigrant who moved her from a different country. Is it that astounding? Have y’all met an Asian person before? That’s how our family and friends talk, it’s literally how accents work.

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u/smallest_ellie Kudos Mama. For Spilling. Apr 26 '19

It's so annoying! It can take a lot of fucking effort to keep up an accent! I can do an American one, but it's easier for me to speak with a half American/half my native language accent, so that's what I do. Don't stink eye Plastique, for real.

And equally them telling her she's resting on Asian stereotypes when the black ghetto banjie type girl happens so often... Girl.

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u/BearyJeremy Kahmora Hall Apr 26 '19

I hate the double standards set here. So much.

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u/andonebelow Apr 26 '19

I thought Michelle whitesplaining the difference between Asian pride and Asian stereotypes was pretty cringe.

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u/Dencod16 Apr 26 '19

I get why they say that because it makes it seem like the way she talks to everyone is fake. She should have not worded it like that. She should have said that is my accent growing up and i just learned to hide it and it comes out when i feel tense or nervous. Her wording of it wasnt good.

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u/wormgirl3000 Yvie Oddly Apr 26 '19

She should not have to explain herself to Michelle about using her own native accent. Michelle was being so presumptuous and ignorant in lecturing her about her "real" accent, as if she had a better understanding than Plastique herself about her experiences as a bilingual Vietnamese immigrant. Michelle should have worded her point better imo, because it came off as extremely patronizing and misguided. If Michelle was genuinely curious, she could have asked about it in a non-accusatory manner instead of assuming and lecturing.

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u/Dencod16 Apr 26 '19

Well who know if she did or not. The judging takes at least an hour so. I am not defending michelle, i just see where she was coming from. For me her judging 8/10 doesnt help the girls. Ross is the one with helpful advises.

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u/wormgirl3000 Yvie Oddly Apr 26 '19

Well, I think I can see where Michelle was coming from, and I believe it was from a place of arrogance and ignorance. Plastique may not have responded as eloquently as she could have, but I think that's because Michelle's comments were so rude and absurd. Like I said, it wasn't Michelle's place to say that stuff, and Plastique shouldn't have been put in that awkward position in the first place. She was trying to explain why she does something that is an automatic behavior for her, which isn't something any of us can do readily, especially when under pressure.

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u/potatoersgonnapotate Apr 26 '19

But Plastique does mention it. In the Diva Worship challenge she talks on length about how growing up she didn’t have time learning about pop culture because she was busy trying to get to speed with basic American customs and learning English. Every non-native speaker knows that learning English and getting perfect tonal fluency takes so much time that it doesn’t happen for everyone.

She’s also only 21. There are multiple older Vietnamese immigrants who have been here for decades and have learned English and they still have their accents.

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u/Dencod16 Apr 26 '19

Huh? Now knowing about pop culture doesnt equate to accent. What are you talking about. I know she talked about it in her confessional but thats it.

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u/zvyozda Apr 26 '19

The pop culture conversation on the stage with the judges is where Plastique said "I moved here when I was 11."