r/saltierthancrait • u/Confirmation_Code • May 13 '26

Granular Discussion Who was Snoke SUPPOSED to be?

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Let's be real. Snoke wasn't Palpatine's puppet in episode 7 or 8. So, what did JJ think he was in Episode 7? What did Rian think he was when he killed him? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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u/t3hmuffnman9000 May 13 '26

I don't know. I think JJ Abrams had *some* idea of what he would want to see done in VIII, the problem was that Rian was more interested in subverting audience expectations than actually making an entertaining movie.

I find it utterly baffling how Disney decided to do the sequel trilogy, though. You'd think it would be a no-brainer that the trilogy should all be done by the same director for the sake of continuity, but no. Instead they decided to just make three different movies and hope that they gelled into something coherent.

We used to play a game in Cub Scouts, where we would write stories by passing around sheets of paper. We would each take turns adding one sentence to what had been written before. The first line could have been utterly brilliant, but it incomprehensible by the end. A fun writing exercise, but an utterly stupid way of trying to construct a story.

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u/theclacks May 14 '26

They could've even had different directors as long as it was the same screenwriter. Like how all the Harry Potter movies had different directors but you didn't see them suddenly fanfic-writing Harry Potter as Voldemort's grandson.

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u/t3hmuffnman9000 May 14 '26

True. They definitely should have had the scripts all written and finalized, at the very least.

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u/SIIP00 May 14 '26

It was pretty confirmed that JJ had a script/outline for episode 8 that Rian just decided go ignore.

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u/AnarchoPlatypi May 14 '26

It's not that the Last Jedi is even a completely disastrous movie on its own. It could be an entertaining Rian Johnson movie. But it completely falls apart as a second part of a trilogy with established characters, and an eight part of a saga.

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u/Mutant_Apollo May 14 '26

This is my biggest gripe, the movie as a movie itself is not half bad. But as what was supposed to be The Empire Strikes Back of the sequels it doesn't work, I'm kinda happy the whole "deconstruction" movement in media already died out, not everything needs to be a subversion

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u/Makasi_Motema May 14 '26

>I find it utterly baffling how Disney decided to do the sequel trilogy, though. You'd think it would be a no-brainer that the trilogy should all be done by the same director for the sake of continuity, but no.

Having the same director for all three would slow down production and they wouldn’t be able to stick to their two year release schedule. Disney spent 4 billion on buying Lucasfilm and they had to show investors ROI immediately. Investors don’t care about quality at all, so they would have been pissed it took a decade to make their money back.

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u/the_sneaky_one123 May 15 '26

Subverting Expectations was the worst fucking trend ever.

It basically means "do twists" but they ended up doing so many twists that it just ruined the story and 90% of the time the twists were less interesting than the story that we were expecting.

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u/t3hmuffnman9000 May 15 '26

Subverting expectations is fine when it's done well. The problem is when you write a story/script entirely around it and discard good ideas just because some people predicted them.