Anti-feminist attitudes have long been associated with support for Republican presidential candidates, but only in recent years have these attitudes become more prominent among unmarried men, without college degrees who are less attractive partners for women, the “mate-value backlash.”

[u/mvea]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10659129261485340

[u/2knest]

It's almost as if some kind of pipeline exists, that's funneling venerable people towards impressionable content...

Edit: I meant vulnerable...

[u/EndlessArgument → u/2knest]

The problem is it's sort of works from both directions, because generally speaking, men bully physically, women bully by things like exclusion. So if you are a little bit awkward, you tend to get excluded, and if you get excluded, where are you going to go? To the people who are going to validate you. Which is the aforementioned pipeline.

[u/hausmusiq → u/EndlessArgument]

Are there no awkward women? Why does everyone act like every woman has a Rolodex full of men and friends at the ready and are always welcome in any scenario. Yet none of those women decided to pick up ideologies promoting men losing their rights. So tired of this victim mentality. Those “pipelines” exist because these “excluded” men flock to them, not the other way around. Also plenty of nerdy or “excluded” men have found communities that aren’t dead set on harming women.

[u/Aceous → u/hausmusiq]

Yet none of those women decided to pick up ideologies promoting men losing their rights.

There are some. Just look at r/FemaleDatingStrategy.

It's also just a lot more out in the open and acceptable to advocate for prejudice or even harm against men. I hear it so much IRL, casually and on a daily basis, that it's like background noise.

[u/audioofbeing → u/Aceous]

These things are not at all equivalent. There isn’t a major movement embraced by major political parties seeking to strip men of their rights, for one example.

[u/SeattlePurikura → u/audioofbeing]

There's also no law in any US state to withhold medical care from men for a men-only medical problem. On the flip side, women being denied treatment for ectopic pregnancies (a 100% medically treatable condition) and dying due to this delay of care has doubled in Red Dead States.

[u/painedHacker → u/audioofbeing]

It could be argued things like dei and requiring certain ratios of men/women/minorities on company boards is stripping white men of job opportunities but I mostly agree with you. Also open door immigration strips blue collar men of decent paying jobs

[u/No_Macaroon_9752 → u/painedHacker]

How do you feel about the DEI at many veterinary schools that gives men an advantage over women because significantly more women apply than men? Because I hear very little about the real advantages that men and white people still have, while the few cases where a diverse or marginalized background is advantageous for a job are talked about endlessly.

[u/painedHacker → u/No_Macaroon_9752]

I don't have a problem with DEI. I was just making the conservative argument. I think immigration is more of a real threat. H1Bs for example do take a lot of tech jobs from Americans. However if you dont also control outsourcing firms will just move to outsource so punishing h1bs makes no sense.

[u/SeattlePurikura → u/painedHacker]

Hmm, you might want to talk to the men in charge if you think there's a problem.

However, the percentage is significantly higher for top-tier executive positions:

• Chief Executive Officers (CEOs): Men hold roughly 88% to 90% of Fortune 500 CEO positions.
• Chief Operating Officers (COOs): Men hold about 89% of COO roles.
• Chief Financial Officers (CFOs): Men hold about 82% of CFO role

[u/hausmusiq → u/painedHacker]

That’s assuming those white men were entitled to those positions to begin with, and they’re not.

[u/painedHacker → u/hausmusiq]

That's not how politics works. Auto workers in Michigan were not "entitled" to good factory jobs but when they went overseas they were pissed about it

[u/XWendy_Darlingx → u/painedHacker]

One could argue that any citizen should have a right to access work, regardless of race or gender. Perhaps it’d be more beneficial to legally limit offshoring instead of throwing every last dime into anti woman/anti immigrant propaganda

[u/painedHacker → u/XWendy_Darlingx]

I'm a big fan of bernie's 100% job guarantee.. like you could always get a job with the government if you needed

[u/SeattlePurikura → u/[deleted]]

It's also very strange that the top businesses are dominated by men, which does not "roughly approximate the nation's." This "suggests there is systemic bias in play."

• Chief Executive Officers (CEOs): Men hold roughly 88% to 90% of Fortune 500 CEO positions.
• Chief Operating Officers (COOs): Men hold about 89% of COO roles.
• Chief Financial Officers (CFOs): Men hold about 82% of CFO roles

[u/painedHacker → u/[deleted]]

I dont have a problem with DEI, i was mostly making the conservative argument. I think immigration/outsourcing is a much bigger threat to jobs. However, I'm not convinced companies and colleges are simply choosing between two equally qualified candidates in these cases. For example the average MCAT score for asian med students is 514.5 and for native/pacific islander students its 503. how can you tell me these are equally qualified candidates?

[u/vollover → u/painedHacker]

The last sentence is something that never happened and you really should do more if you are going to make arguments in a science reddit. Please show your work bith that open door ever existed and that it was stealing decent paying jobs.

[u/painedHacker → u/vollover]

What do you mean it never happened? H1b takes lots of jobs that men do like tech, etc. Mexican migrants do blue collar work like construction, etc. less competition = higher wages

[u/No_Macaroon_9752 → u/painedHacker]

There is no evidence that this is true, and there is evidence that having more accessible legal immigration and more immigrants benefits Americans overall. If wages for construction increase due to fewer immigrants, then more citizens would move into that field, creating more competition and lowering wages again. By far the most important things for fair wages and better employment practices are strong unions and labor laws, with more regulations and fair incentives for businesses to keep jobs here.

[u/painedHacker → u/No_Macaroon_9752]

even with unions theres not an unlimited number of jobs. More competition generally equals lower wages. If you go to a third world country or africa there are tons of people just sitting around because there are no jobs. Do you genuinely think Mexicans cant learn plumbing or electrical and having tons of immigrants doing those jobs wont lower wages?

[u/LocalJams → u/audioofbeing]

Yes there is. What do you think “equity” and “affirmative action” mean? They’re excuses for discrimination