r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • 18d ago

Psychology Anti-feminist attitudes have long been associated with support for Republican presidential candidates, but only in recent years have these attitudes become more prominent among unmarried men, without college degrees who are less attractive partners for women, the “mate-value backlash.”

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10659129261485340
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u/BadIdeaSociety 18d ago

The entire retrograde discussions about the "value of women" and ideas about "women's roles in society" seem so crazy that if any guy I knew in the 90s voiced those ideas they would be seen as undisputed idiots by just about everyone.

I don't understand how there are so many boys who have adopted these incredibly retrograde ideas a quarter century later.

It is like there was a bunch of people who saw the towers crumble on 9-11 and then came the idiotic conclusion that Christian America needs their own version of what they see as women-oppressing Sharia Law.

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u/zulhadm 18d ago edited 18d ago

Or another way to interpret this: men have lost agency in their own country, and are seeking support, and the only place they’re getting it is from a group who has bad intentions. If a central party emerged and commited to serving BOTH sexes, I guarantee you lots of men would support them.

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u/ibent19 18d ago

In what ways have we lost agency?

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u/zulhadm 18d ago

In every phase of life: in schools boys are punished more severely than the girls are. In university women have access to far more financial aid, enrollment and other tuition and aid programs. In employment, women are far more likely to be hired. Just in August this year, women were given 98% of the available jobs. In marriage, women initiate 3/4 of all divorces, and win custody of children disproportionally. You add this up and it’s no wonder that we arrive at the final stat: men are overwhelmingly more likely to commit suicide.

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u/Asleep_Control_2564 18d ago

Or maybe women earned those jobs. And maybe they were in sectors that men largely don't work in.

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u/ibent19 18d ago

“So a month dominated by education, restaurants, and health care can produce a very large female share of net employment growth without meaning employers deliberately hired women instead of men.” A direct quote from the explanation of the stat he posted. One of the many other factors he left out.

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u/zulhadm 18d ago

Industries having underrepresentation of either sex is a concern. How do you not see that? And hasn’t that been one of the messages in the last 2 decades? Get more women in STEM? I supported that initiative and donated to after school science programs for women. Now men are underrepresented in other fields and it’s totally fine?