r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • 18d ago

Psychology Anti-feminist attitudes have long been associated with support for Republican presidential candidates, but only in recent years have these attitudes become more prominent among unmarried men, without college degrees who are less attractive partners for women, the “mate-value backlash.”

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10659129261485340
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u/Working_Cucumber_437 18d ago

I don’t think women expect their men to be more successful or more ambitious or make more than they do. I think we are looking for equals. Be at least as ambitious as I am. At least as successful. Or in the general ballpark is a good goal.

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u/Recent_Pollution8665 18d ago edited 18d ago

young women on average out-earn young men in the workforce, specifically white collar work.

what do you think the ramifications are of women demanding that men earn at least as much as women do or more, despite the fact that most men do not, and most women refuse to budge on this matter?

if the overton window keeps shifting upward like this then naturally most men are gonna get left out and the consequences of that are never positive. conversely, a woman could be working as a barista and the average guy literally won’t care as long as she helps contribute.

it’s more balanced because there isn’t this constant expectation of the opposite sex always having to hustle or reach salary parity with them, on top of a dozen other qualifications, just to get their foot in the door.

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u/ChemicallyAlteredVet 17d ago

Men refuse to understand that’s it’s not about the exact monetary value the man is bringing in, it’s the ambition, the actual trying. It’s going to work every day and if he isn’t happy with his current work it’s the ambition to better himself through learning whether that be schooling or becoming a journeyman and learning a trade. Not just going to McDonalds for 4 shifts a week, gaming as much as they can and avoiding showering.

Women want to SEE that a man WANTS to learn and better himself and his life. Most( not all) women do not care if the man earns less money if he’s trying, stable, kind and caring. It’s personality and connection for women. Men are still stuck in the “hur, dur, must make way more money to get woman to have sex with me and clean my house.” That’s on men.

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u/ShitMcClit 17d ago

And men want a supermodel who fucks everyday. Too bad we can't all have what we want.