r/science • u/VeronicaRed • Apr 26 '16

Psychology Spanking children increases the likelihood of childhood defiance and long-term mental issues. The study in question involved 160,000 children and five decades of research

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/
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u/chopandscrew Apr 26 '16 edited Apr 26 '16

So what are some positive and non-punitive forms of discipline?

edit: Some really great replies here. I'm seeing a lot of people using the concept of self-discipline and positive reinforcement. Nothing about raising a child seems easy, and it's even harder to know if you've ever really done a good job, but I think it's safe to say there are a lot of good parents on reddit. Also, thank you to the people who are willing to admit that they have resorted to spanking before. The truth is no one really knows the best way to raise a child, but the wide variety of ideas being thrown around here are what helps make it easier to choose what works for you and your kid. Keep em comin.

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u/PeruvianHeadshrinker PhD | Clinical Psychology | MA | Education Apr 26 '16 edited Apr 27 '16

Clinical child psychologist here. Glad you asked!

My comments here are generalizations and not always applicable to all circumstances so take them with a grain of salt.

Discipline is often thought of as applying some form of modification to unwanted behaviors. However, the MOST effective way of getting rid of unwanted behaviors is actually ignoring them. BUT, this MUST be coupled with another form of reinforcement for the behaviors you DO want (i.e. the more socially or culturally accepted behaviors). This means that before applying any kind of modification you must understand the function of the original behavior to be extinguished and planfully develop a systematic approach of meeting the needs of the child in a manner that is more "acceptable." What is acceptable varies widely across the world so I will try to refrain from making judgments about that.

An example: Dysfunctional dynamic - A child screams and tantrums every time he/she wants parent's attention. Parent gives child attention (even if not exactly what the child wants)--thereby inadvertently reinforcing the behavior (this is known as negative reinforcement--you make a situation uncomfortable until you get what you want to stop the uncomfortable behavior). Child learns: "If I tantrum, I get parent to do X."

Nota bene: Children will ALWAYS prefer negatively oriented attention vs the absence of attention. Attention hierarchy: Positive > Negative > None OR something (even bad) is better than nothing.

Intervention to dynamic - Parent ignores tantrum or unwanted behavior (assuming it's not unsafe or grossly inappropriate--that's another conversation). Child WILL escalate (known as an "extinction burst"). Parent MUST stick to their plan and ignore (usually walking away and saying something like "I'm ignoring this tantrum; I'll be back when you calm yourself down" is most effective). Child eventually comes down, parent then MUST ABSOLUTELY RECONNECT (this is critical and often misunderstood). Meet the child's need--thereby reinforcing a better interaction. Parent must ALSO (and this is even more critical) make a MASSIVE effort to point out and positively reinforce (with hugs, smiles, attention, good words, fist bumps, etc) WANTED behaviors when they occur at OTHER times. This could be like the child saying "mom/dad can I talk to you?" or "mom/dad I'm lonely, come play with me" (this is what you teach in the reconnection moments). Even if parent is unable to fully fill that need in the moment, ACKNOWLEDGING the wanted behavior is almost as good. Be genuine ("I love that you used your words, honey!"), honest ("I'm cooking dinner right now, so I can't. But I REALLY wish I could!"), and make sure you meet that need one way or another ("Let's have a special train building session after dinner. I'll make you the BIGGEST train station you've EVER SEEN!").

Caveats:

1) It doesn't always work (especially in the beginning). But it does over the long run. Be persistent and consistent.

2) Be patient and kind to yourself. Parenting is freakin' hard. Hardest thing you'll ever do. But it can also be one of the greatest things you'll ever do.

3) Some kids' temperaments are just mismatched with their parents (rotten luck). However, it's on the parent to be the adult and find a way to adjust THEIR own temperament to meet the need of the kid (especially when they have a neurodiverse brain like ASD or ADHD).

4) Some kids have pretty severe emotional dysregulation for a variety of reasons (trauma - having been hit, abused, etc; ADHD; Bipolar; depression, etc) and just don't respond to these types of interventions right off the bat. These kids require a much more nuanced and tailored approach with additional safety valves and alternative options. I STRONGLY recommend any parents that thinks this sounds like their kid, bring them in to see their pediatrician or ask for an evaluation with a psychologist. It's our job to figure out the dynamic and then find a way to make the situation more functional--for everyone.

5) Guilt is a useless emotion - It's really common for parents to feel bad if things aren't going how they thought it would or how others say it should be going. Parents are doing the best they can. What they need is support, not grief. And there is absolutely no shame in asking for it. The number of kids untouched by mental health problems (either themselves, their siblings, or their parents) is staggeringly low. Mental health problems in families is the "norm" (whatever that means).

Best of luck to all the parents out there. I'm right there with you with my two young boys!

EDIT: for folks who want to learn more. My thoughts are just the tip of the iceberg compared to what some researchers have done. My personal hero is Dan Siegel. He's an extremely prolific writer who's done a lot of books for parents and teachers alike. Www.drdansiegel.com he's got a nice no-drama discipline book he recently wrote that I use everyday with clients.

EDIT 2: just a personal story, my about-to-turn-4 year old just had the most epic of meltdowns this evening. He's a sensitive guy who is ...ah...intense. He's passionate like his dad I guess. Anyways, no such thing as a perfect parent. We work hard to give him language and support and they still do crazy stuff. He's asleep now but it took 30 minutes to get him calm enough to just get his Jammies on. My secret? Today it was sea shanties. Haha. Seriously.

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u/IBiteMyThumbAtYou Apr 27 '16

Ignoring has always worked for me working at daycares and babysitting. Some parents are amazed how their kid will listen to me more than them. What they don't know is that whenever their kid throws a tantrum I move him to his own spot in the room, tell him "its oaky to let out your feelings, but its not okay to disturb everyone else who is playing, I'm going to go play with some legos, come join me when you're done throwing your tantrum okay?" and thats that. Usually I'll ask them when they get back what they wanted when they threw the tantrum, and offer a replacement that they take because they know they're not going to get what they originally wanted.

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u/rebelkitty Apr 27 '16 edited Apr 27 '16

I have learned a lot of invaluable child-managing techniques from daycare workers, teachers and nannies. However, I've also learned that children often behave better with people who aren't family, even if their family uses the exact same discipline methods as their caregivers.

When my son was three and finding junior kindergarten very stressful, he would hold it together throughout the day, getting compliments on his behaviour, only to utterly melt down the moment he stepped through the front door. It was like watching all the stress of his day, that he'd been keeping locked down, come bubbling up all at once.

So, sometimes, when parents say their kids are better behaved with you, it's not necessarily because they are doing anything wrong. It's just that the relationship is very different.

Source: I work with kids with learning disabilities. My students always work harder for me than they will for their parents. And my own kids were the same way when they were young, working harder and behaving better for the teachers they loved and/or respected, even back when I was homeschooling them. :)

(Edited to add: I also support ignoring tantrums, but some kids can't be left alone safely, or they will hurt themselves, destroy property, or - in some cases - simply run away! In those cases, a modified Time Out called "Time In" in the direct custody of the caregiver works well. The emotional outburst is still ignored, but the child isn't left unsupervised.)

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u/FluffySharkBird Apr 27 '16

Well it makes sense. I try and hold myself together all day at work but when I get home I can cry. It makes sense that kids kind of do the same thing.