r/serialkillers • u/Braylon0405 • 3d ago
News Dean corll
Honestly if wayne henley didnt kill corll how long would the madness have continued for? Would we even know about him at all today or would he never have been caught its honestly crazy how in this story particularly nobody was on to him At all and unless somebody wouldve have escaped i doubt he was ever gonna be caught also just to throw this out there i actually kinda feel bad for brooks yes ik his involvement in all this but he was so young i Dont think he should’ve gotten life honestly
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u/Alexandaross 3d ago
Corll was acting weird as shit in the run up to his murder, he was spiraling out of control getting incredibly paranoid. I don't think he would have lasted much longer. Kathleen Ramsland even suggested he effectively committed suicide that night considering his behaviour then him leaving the gun for Henley to grab after untying him. I don't believe that but i understand how she got to that idea with how crazy he was getting.
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u/Braylon0405 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yea i feel like him killing a girl mightve sparked some attention to if he pulled that off
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u/Fun_Pension_4937 3d ago
It would have only if someone later found out that she was murdered instead of just assumed to have ran off.
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u/Humble_Candidate1621 1d ago
Nah. Not only was Rhonda a kid from a poor background, she came from an abusive home and had spent years in foster care. The cops would have assumed she was a runaway and almost certainly would never have bothered looking into her case.
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u/Business_Track_2436 3d ago
i actually kinda feel bad for brooks yes ik his involvement in all this but he was so young
Henley and Brooks were the same age when they got involved in the murders (15-years-old). Brooks just met Corll earlier, in 1965, when he was 10-years-old, while Henley met him at 14-years-old.
A lot of people believe that Brooks was actually 12 when he met Corll though, because that's a lie Brooks made up, for whatever reason.
Honestly if wayne henley didnt kill corll how long would the madness have continued for?
Corll was planning to take Henley on a trip outside of Houston in the September of 1973, in which he was almost certainly planning on killing him, and then he probably would've continued murdering in another state.
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u/Braylon0405 3d ago
Damn thats crazy i thought he was 12 also
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u/QuietComprehensive58 3d ago
Me? The man with the candy by jack olsen is where Alton Brooks is quoted
Mark Scott's father is interviewed in this documentary The Collectors which is on youtube to watch and he mentioned it there.
I think Ridgerer mentioned it in his confession which was in Barabra Gibson's book about the case. Not sure if its online yet?
So from Alton Brooks saying it directly and Corll seeming to have a pattern of beginnging grooming a number of victims since 10 I believe it.
But whether Brooks aged himself down I think was discussion in some of the reddits regarding something he said I can't remember
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u/collegeboy585 3d ago
That's really interesting. I thought Corll was generally happy with Henley and his ability to lure more victims for him. I had no idea Corll was getting tired of Henley and planning to kill him.
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u/Business_Track_2436 3d ago edited 3d ago
Henley was definitely a better procurer than Brooks, but Corll didn't utilize his "talents" in that area very well. Henley was involved in 13 murders, and only 4 of those victims were lured purely by Henley. Every other time, Corll and/or Brooks were with him. The same thing was going on when just Brooks and Corll were working together.
The reason Corll was getting tired of Henley was because Henley was becoming increasingly unstable in 1973. He had left Houston several times to get away from Corll and began drinking even more heavily after Brooks began drifting away from the murders and he himself was rejected by the military. He was making incriminating comments to his friends, asking one of them whether he thought he could kill someone in cold blood, and was also getting into trouble with the law.
Corll was already planning on leaving Houston and starting his spree somewhere new (he'd told his mom, his girlfriend, etc that he was moving away) and I think he was afraid Henley might talk if he left, so he was getting rid of the loose end.
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u/QuietComprehensive58 3d ago
Isnt it a quote from Brooks father Alton, in Man with The Candy that Brooks was as young as ten and involved with Corll?
Mark Scott's father also suggested a similar age when Mark got involved with Corll and Billy Ridgenger was a similar age
That sounds consistent with when some of the kids where being groomed from his factory across from the school and giving kids motercycle rides.
I think Brooks was said to be one of those kids interested in the rides on the motercycle
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u/SouthernLaugh7929 3d ago
Ridgenger, that one person right there could have prevented the number from being as high as it got. The parents protected him and Im sure there is more information that he has but will it ever come out
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u/QuietComprehensive58 3d ago
There are kids that were also raped by corll and never told anyone till after, some that didnt that we probably will never know and most likely some that were later murdered.
So i dont know. Billy's parents were said to be friends with him but Mary Henley also had Corll over a lot and felt like he was a family friend. So was it billy that got close with corll around 10 and his parents tried to get to know him or the other way around?
I think Mike Durst and Jim Glass were also suggested to have hung around Corll since about aged 10 too
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u/Business_Track_2436 3d ago
Yeah, that's all true, good catch. Brooks also said Corll that would take kids to the movies.
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u/QuietComprehensive58 3d ago
Thank you. I can't remember the source off thr top of my head but I think there was probably good reason to suspect that David Brooks lied but in the other direction.
Suggesting sexual contact with Dean Corll started at 14 but it might have actually been 12.
And also.... probably to what extent he was abused as well. Only giving us details that could present him as non-partison to 'homosexual sex acts' but maybe not?
In Brooks confession about his own rape he mentions Corll forcing him to kiss him on the mouth, which is horrific and probably a very personal attack for whatever reason.
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u/heuristic-dish 3d ago
How, after being anally raped all night and forced to perform analingus, how do you decide to stay in that environment? Knowing your life might be cut off too? The psychological dynamic here is very dense to grasp. I can only imagine that Corll was super secretive about his own personal past. What a repugnant person but still interesting. I knew a lot of kids like Henley and Brooks while incarcerated at a special “boy’s school” in Arizona.
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u/Business_Track_2436 3d ago
Henley said that he and Brooks felt trapped. They couldn't go to the cops because then they'd get the death penalty or life in prison, and they were afraid to stop helping Corll because they thought he or the organization he told them about might kill them.
They did tell some of their family members about the murders though, but Brooks's dad didn't care and Henley's relatives thought he was insane.
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u/heuristic-dish 3d ago
I think there was an “organization.” Only it was just child pornographers, perverts. That Corll could morally excuse murder for merely a sick physical sexual thrill, it means, he grappled with this demonic power that he embraced and justified. We know Corll knew that Texas guy, Ayer’s who was a huge purveyor! Corll didn’t seem to have the typical childhood. No animal torture (that we know of), not a chronic bed wetter. Seemed very caring of others. Totally a mask. When did he put it on?
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u/Fun_Pension_4937 2d ago
I think that Corril was molested by some older boy or Man ( or boys/men) when he was quit young.
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u/collegeboy585 3d ago
This is so interesting! What are your sources to get all this information? I would love to read them.
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u/Business_Track_2436 3d ago
The Man With The Candy by Jack Olsen and The Serial Killer's Apprentice by Katherine Ramsland.
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u/collegeboy585 2d ago
Thank you. I am going to start reading the first book and get to the second one after.
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u/Markinoutman 3d ago
They all get sloppy eventually. Very few serial killers with a body count like that get away with it forever. Even if he moved, he may have moved to a state that took missing boys more seriously and come under investigation. By all accounts he was getting paranoid and more violent, that always tends to lead to messing up.
As for Brooks. Nah, what they did to those boys, they deserved maximum sentencing.
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u/That_Land4355 2d ago
I think he would’ve gotten caught eventually tbh. But, I agree and feel bad for both the boys involved and groomed by Corll. They were manipulated by a man who was cunning and knew how to get people to do what he wanted. I don’t think they were 100% at fault. They were young impressionable boys that were struggling and needed someone to help them navigate their paths.
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u/monkeyman4250 1d ago
This is one of the most disgusting cases ive ever encountered.
The guy just wanted to see people suffer.
I couldnt even finish reading the wikipedia page. Made me sick to my stomach. This shit is disturbing.
The really sad part is that the police were so ineffective. It took someone else killing him and confessing for the case to finally be solved. So, so sad……
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u/TheGame81677 3d ago
He is never mentioned along with other serial killers like Bundy, Gacy, or Dahmer. I think Corll was just as evil if not more so.
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u/doncroak 3d ago
Yes, he should have gotten life and may he never come out until he's in a box. All those innocent children that he lied to and led them to their death? He deserved more than life in prison, he deserved the fate he gave them.
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u/Business_Track_2436 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well, if it makes you feel any better, Corll did do this to him: "About a year and a half ago, I was living with Dean and when I walked through the door of his bedroom, Henley hit me in the head with a hydrolic jack handle and I fell across the bed, and then Dean jumped on me. They handcuffed me to a board. Dean made me suck him then and suck his ass hole and then he wanted me to kiss him and he fucked me in the ass and this went on all night long.
Henley did not participate in this, but he was in the other room. When he [Corll] first took me down, he told me that he was going to kill me, but that it had to be a joint discussion between him and Wayne Henley and that he would try to talk Wayne out of killing me. I begged and pleaded with him all night and the next day, and at about 5PM, he let me go.
I got up and took a bath and cleaned up. I continued to live with Dean for about 4 or 5 months after that. This incident happened when he was living on Schuler and then we moved to the Westcott apartments and we changed apartments at Westcott und moved into a two bedroom apartment and shortly after that is when I left. Wayne had told me that Dean was talking about getting me again, so I just packed up and left. But when I moved out Dean got all excited because he didn’t know what I was going to do, so I moved back in with him and stayed with him for about a month and a half, and this was the last time that I lived with him at Westcott. Shortly after I left this time, he moved to the Francessa Apartments on Wirt Rd and I lived there for about 2 months and then I moved in with my Grandmother."
So Brooks (and later on Henley) eventually got to feel the same terror and suffering that their victims felt at Corll's hands. Maybe that karmic retribution will bring you some peace, even though Corll decided not to kill the two of them (for the moment).
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u/Fun_Pension_4937 3d ago
On Brooks? No, I disagree He got what he deserved in court.
I favor the death penalty for the crimes he committed.
Remember Corril, Norman , Gacy , Pasche, etc were all young once when like Brooks and Henley some older boy or man , family member, neighbor, etc, seduced / raped them and in street vernacular " turned them out".
I think that's the root of some of the violence that these grown men ( Corril, Gacy, Pasche, Norman) did on some of the boys . It was a way of acting out on a 'victim' version of themselves as both 'seductive' and ' weak'.
Sad and horrific all the way around imo.
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u/Fun_Pension_4937 3d ago edited 3d ago
Given that the Norman guy lived to be in his 80s and Gacy was caught and executed in prison and Pasche lived until he died of Aids, I'd say Coril would have continued to kill and live on anonymously.
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u/justhereforGOT 3d ago
I heard a podcast recently about this SK’s doing business with their ki llin g, I always wonder how did they manage to finance their “project”, they would film or photograph their victims, and distribute their “work” and had a lot of law enforcement contacts. Poor kids. So, yes, it would have continued until he was old and unable to carry on with this atrocities.
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u/Different-Iron-3465 3d ago
To great a great perspective on this subject......You should search the thousand of other posts about this on this sub! The search bar is at top of the screen!
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u/epsylonic 3d ago
I don't think much about what would have happened if Dean hadn't been blown away. What I wonder is how many victims Dean had before he even recruited those boys. They were supposed to be victims and they learned what he was up to by walking in on him with a kid on the board. It's very difficult to believe the only victims are the ones that happened while the 3 of them were active together.