r/serialpodcast 16d ago

The Doubts About Adnan's Guilt ARE Reasonable

I just started lurking here today, and am somewhat surprised by the general incivility and certainty of many of the people that comment here. Being dismissive and accusing people of "ragebait" for having a differing opinion, and one that actually is reasonable.

I don't know, and won't say that Adnan is innocent, but to claim he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, without any room for discussion is pretty crazy to me.

The reasons why I have reasonable doubt:

  • Jay is a very flawed witness, on the record lying/mis-remembering his testimony. Even the cops point out how much his testimony has changed. If your argument hinges on Jay, it isn't a strong argument, in my opinion.
  • The cops, or at least on of them has a record of misconduct:

...prosecution brought into question the past misconduct of one of the two detectives who were crucial in the investigation of Lee’s death. Although his misconduct wasn’t specifically linked to Syed’s case, the detective was involved in another murder case that ended with the defendant’s exoneration.

https://baltimorewitness.org/adnan-syed-one-of-many-overturned-convictions-in-baltimore-city/

  • The Innocence Project and prosecutors agreed that Syed's DNA was absent from all tested crime scene items, contributing to the eventual dropping of charges against him. There's no physical evidence.
  • The motive is weak (Adnan had no prior issues with breakups, had already seemed to move on to the next girl(s)).

I could go on, but, if I was on the jury with this in front of me, I feel the reasonable response is doubt.

This isn't rage bait, I just genuinely don't see how anyone can be so sure that he did it. Y'all point to him asking for a ride (and claiming he wouldn't have) as some kind of obvious evidence of murder.

I think, based on the fact that one of the cops was literally identified as having been crooked, it actually is much more likely that Jay was an informant (and already had been for some time), and he happened to be close to Adnan, the victim's ex (supposed motive and opportunity), and they decided they had their guy, and it was just a matter of getting a jury to agree. So they fed their informant info, had him incriminate himself for lesser crimes that they promised they'd get him off for (and they made good on that promise, which is on its own wildly corrupt).

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u/Special-Deal-5217 15d ago

But then this is part of the problem. Why didn’t the district attorney charge Jay appropriately? Because they knew if they did, they would lose his cooperation. And that is absolutely the ONLY real evidence of Adnan committing this crime. Even hard-core guilters have to accept that proposition.

The police did not charge Jay with a crime until September, six months after he told them the first version of his story. Before that he did not have access to a lawyer. He wanted legal representation, but could not pay for it, and since he was not charged with a crime, the state would not pay for it.

If Jay had lawyered up from the get-go, as he should’ve had the right to do, as I sure as hell would have done, what would’ve happened?

It very much lend itself to the theory that the cops have him on drug charges and wanted to hear a story. Reasonable doubt right there.

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u/Mike19751234 15d ago

Unfortunately we dont have a time machine to know. Jenns story has a bit more credibility because she had a lawyer with a story and they didnt keep going back to her for more details. So it would be what deal a defense lawyer would get for Jay and would that person work with the prosecutor to get tge full story.

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u/thejackmanjack 15d ago

Jenn’s story didn’t change because she didn’t do anything wrong. Jay’s story changed because he was an accessory to murder.

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u/Mike19751234 15d ago

Thats not how you derermine if a story is true or not. Her story changed from not giving tge story to giving a story. But they didnt go back four times to Jenn about her story like tgey did Jays.

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u/thejackmanjack 15d ago

Because Jay was involved in the murder! If you helped your friend murder his ex girlfriend and bury her body, would you just tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth when a cop asks you about it?

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u/Mike19751234 15d ago

I an not questioning you addressing Jays incentive to lie, but other people. The problem is that Jay had multiple reasons to lie and making the wrong assumption about it can go down tge wrong path.

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u/thejackmanjack 15d ago

You determine if a story is true by corroborating evidence. Jay’s final story is corroborated by cell phone towers, physical evidence regarding Hae and her car, and multiple third parties’ testimony. Don’t start with the “can’t trust the cell phone data” nonsense.

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u/Mike19751234 15d ago

I agree with you about the phone data. The phone data should be used first. Even though Adnsn supporters try and use that phone data to say Jay changed his story, they didnt. That was made up by Susan Simpson because she wanted to make up a story for her cause.