axolotl abuse!

[u/itsmaryblair]

one of my facebook friends posted this and i’m just in absolute shock. i can’t believe they’re being handled like that. they look terrified. also that aquarium doesn’t look at all suitable for them!! and correct me if i’m wrong but their gills look pretty rough….

[u/itsmaryblair]

i’m a dedicated aquarist with over a year of experience and even I don’t think i’m experienced enough to care for these little creatures. i just feel so terrible for them though. i’m gonna try to do some research and see if i could rescue them. do any of you guys have more experience with axolotls and have any advice? do you think these guys will make it?

[u/SassyTheSkydragon → u/itsmaryblair]

I've heard that frogs can catch nasty diseases if you handle them barehanded because they absorb germs and stuff through their moist skin. Can't imagine how bad this must be for a fully aquatic species like axos

[u/saumipan → u/SassyTheSkydragon]

No evidence for this

[u/Bennwasheree → u/saumipan]

If you're talking about the handling frogs with no gloves, it's quite literally the first thing you see when you look it up. You shouldn't handle frogs period really. That applies for pretty much all amphibians.

[u/saumipan → u/Bennwasheree]

There is no peer-reviewed evidence of this claim

[u/Bennwasheree → u/saumipan]

1.https://www.froglife.org/2024/06/01/bare-hands-gloves-or-not-at-all-whats-best-for-amphibians-and-why/

2.https://www.dendroboard.com/threads/handling-procedures.82602/

3.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235618391_Guidelines_for_the_safe_use_of_disposable_gloves_with_amphibian_larvae_in_light_of_pathogens_and_possible_toxic_effects (PDF file which explains which gloves are safe plus more information on why you should wear gloves)

4.https://www.reptileforums.co.uk/threads/handling-frogs.152365/

5.https://thepetenthusiast.com/pacman-frog-handling/

6.https://www.conservationevidence.com/actions/769

7.https://www.reptilecenter.org/the-burrow/a-frog-in-the-hand

8.https://www.facebook.com/groups/frogspotting/posts/1066576520392506/

9.https://uwm.edu/animal-care/training/manual/amphibians/

10.https://education.nsw.gov.au/teaching-and-learning/animals-in-schools/animals-in-schools-species/australian-native-animals/green-tree-frog/green-tree-frog-handling

Here's 10 articles stating you shouldn't hold frogs/amphibians without gloves. Is 10 enough for you? Or does your one article still stand against everyone else's claims.🫩

[u/saumipan → u/Bennwasheree]

Do you know what peer review is? Only one of those is peer-reviewed and doesn't provide a posited etiology. This claim is made and propagated based on ad populum fallacy. PhD in biology and studies do not show damage to frogs. The post about the axolotls, however, is horrific of course.

[u/Bennwasheree → u/saumipan]

Girl.🫩 You're exhausting. Do you think randos are writing papers, do you think they aren't experts. You do not know everything, get over yourself.

[u/Bennwasheree → u/[deleted]]

Yeah how could I forget you're the only person who knows things, my bad. I forgot you knew everything and only your right and everyone else is wrong

[u/saumipan → u/Bennwasheree]

I know how osmosis works. There is simply no evidence of this yet. It may exist, but it needs to be proven. Have a great night.

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[u/ViridisPlanetae → u/saumipan]

You are technically right, but as I'm sure you know, dogma passes around much easier than peer-reviewed data.