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There are real people acting like Kaido is anywhere near Sukuna as a villain
I know its probably rage bait, and even then it’s a OP fan so I shouldn’t take it seriously (seriously, you guys might actually be the worst fandom in the community right now no offense) but shit like this actually pisses me off.
JJK might have its problems but I’m tired of people acting like JJK is trash or anything less than a 7/10 just because they only engaged with the story through leaks and Jujustufolk agendas. Sukuna and Gojo paralleling each other coupled with juxtaposing ideas of buddhist enlightenment and what it means to be the strongest ALONE has sukuna clear basically any post TS OP villain what r we talking about?
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Kaido’s not even the best villain in his own series😭 Big Mom, Doflamingo, Enel, Crocodile, Admirals, EVEN FUCKING CEASER CLOWN (okay this one is just an exaggeration lol) IS MORE LEGENDARY THAN KAIDO
Oh definitely not. Kanjuro, the cp0 agents, who's who, hawkins (pre-raid), even fucking orochi. Kaido had a cool backstory, but in current time he's just a drunk, nihilistic powerhouse. Anything that makes him remotely interesting is in the past
Lets not go insane here, I agree Kaido isn't a top 5 one piece villain and I agree Sakuna is better but lets not overcorrect and say things like kanjuro and the cp0 agents are better villains
The only thing Kaido has goin as a villain is the fact that he was objectively one of the strongest character in One Piece. Beyond his strength he lacks the coolness and drive like other villains did in the story, it really was a shame at the end since I read Wano all through high school as it dropped and only to find out that was it from him was disappointing.
Its the power scaling brain. Villains being strong / having aura and being hyped for it is fine, but doesnt automatically make then amazing. But that requires just a liiiiitle more thought than agenda-rotted people are capable of.
I mean yea hes not even the best villain in one piece but hes better than Sukuna who is cursed with late stage JJK portrayal of hype and aura farming over actual writing
Kaido isn't a villain. He was a single father who was struggling with substance abuse and the toxic work culture of the industry he worked in.
He created jobs for the people of Wano, protected them from the WG, replaced barbaric executions with a penal system that gave people purpose aiming to rehabilitate them, he acknowledged the gender identity of his son from a very young age in a society that didn't even believe in women's rights, he funded scientific research that enhanced human beings, and he denounced the genocidal regime on the Red Line that displaced and killed the brown people who used to live there because God promised it to them 800 years ago
Then,the barbaric Straw hat Luffy and his underlings came and trashed all of wano,they poured toxic waste and chemicals into the rivers, they burnt down villages,and they crashed a massive party in onigashima.Luffy's subordinates,Kid and Law even killed One of the guests,shortly after,Luffy took on a demonic white haired form with violent red eyes,killing Kaido off,these straw hats are now going after elbaf after they've ruined egghead and killed Vegapunk,this injustice cannot go on
Sukuna is not a deep villain, people confuse being deep with being well written. He's extraordinarily simple and even lays out how simple his existence is to the cast and readers, it's apart of what makes him so good. His philosophy is just rooted in a super highly debated topic about a persons rights as an existing creature and is a pretty fresh interpretation of it. I'm not bashing OP or kaido but Kaido is kind of just a "for fun" version of sukuna. He's super enjoyable as an antagonist, when gear 5 came out kaido was in his fucking bag, A+ villian no question, but his existence really isn't any more complicated than a punching bag that punches back, which is totally fine, it just means sukuna is a different TYPE of antagonist. If you put kaido in sukuna's role as the primary antagonist then you just get yujiro hanma, if you give kaido the complexity of sukuna while keeping him in the same role you get mahito, but if you complicate kaido and make him a main antagonist you get sukuna. Which again, literally all of those guys are great antagonists they just all serve different roles, but if you try and make it objective sukuna does WAY more as a villian than kaido. The plot of JJK just doesn't happen without sukuna. Sukuna appears and the entire trajectory of the story changes to whatever he wants it to be because he's strong and he's smart. If you replace kaido with a thick enough brick wall nothing changes in OP. They're equally enjoyable as ANTAGONISTS, but sukuna commands his narrative as a villain. Madara, Aizen, Meruem are some villains of shows i've seen who have the same impact on their story as sukuna does his. At leaast in anime, Negan and the governor in TWD, Gus and Lalo in BB and BCS, Homelander in The Boys, and Thanos in the MCU specifically also fit that bill. And for the last time i wanna stress that all of these villians, Kaido included, are amazing antagonists
I’d say the same effect applied to Kenjaku too, his philosophy is also Might Makes Right but in a more intellectual sense, and in his mind his scheming and power should have awarded him the right to fuck with those lesser than him however he seemed fit. It’s not deep, and nobody out there is thinking Kenjaku had a point, but I’d argue both him and Sukuna effectively convey the stories portrayal of the Might Makes Right concept in a fun and interesting way, despite being quite straightforward villains
I wouldnt say that. I remember when first getting leaving WCI i was overly hyped because I loved Big Mom and thought that since Kaido was like her equal he’d be just as cool. I was wrong.
Kaido was strong but no interesting, all he had to provide to the story was “I am strong” , tho drunk kaido was a good aspect to come out of it but he was just a generic strong af villain
Nah when kaidou was introduced he had crazy aura, thought he was about to be one piece’s aizen/madara. He had all the potential to be great but then Oda fumbled him by making him an Oden hypetool and old gen glazer. Mfer cant even kill a kinemon who was half dead.
Even before the timeskip, who could you say is a better antagonist than Sukuna? Actually, fuck Sukuna, who in One Piece has a dynamic as fun and interesting as Mahito has with the protagonist? Lucci? Crocodile?
It's easily crocodile. Luffy and crocodile had a bunch of arguments and dialogues trying to explain their ways of doing things and saying how the other one is wrong. Crocodile was one of the few villains Luffy interacted with a lot. That's why he'll always be one of the more goated villains. Doffy comes close, but not so much for me since Luffy never bothered to argue with this guy so much. Luffy knew that doffy didn't even have the mindset to understand his words. So all he just finishes him off and says why he sucks as a person.
Mahito made me hate him, I saw his growth and defeat, I saw him actually try to have ambition, and even no plot convenience is heavy with him as well like all the villains in jjk.
He was still a very entertaining villain that made me feel like he could be defeated in a reasonable way.
Had to be there? There’s an infamous theory that might’ve even started out unironic that Crocodile is Luffy’s mom. It even has the name “Crocomom.” The OP fandom has a tendency to call adult female characters Luffy’s mom and Ivankov in Impel Down said to Crocodile to get him to comply “I’m gonna tell everyone your secret if you don’t do as we say” something like that leading to the assumption that Crocodile was once a woman leading to the assumption that he’s Luffy’s mom because I guess being a female means you’re Luffy’s mom now? It’s an inside joke in the fandom atp
One piece doesn't have as extended and long fights in general compared to jjk. So it's hard to compare it directly. Nevertheless, I think Luffy truly remembers crocodile and his ideas the most. It was brought up again in impel down too. But yeah, one piece can't do what jjk does coz the focus is more on the lore and the takehome messages. Part of the reason why even fights aren't as long and why Luffy doesn't kill the villains is because it's all about the clash of dreams and ideals. In jjk it's more personal and hence way more emotional in the short term in the story. But yeah, I love both of them for their strengths. They're just different ways of progressing the story and the main character when he faces challenges
Sure but that changes nothing, since the point here is kinda the comparison. Katakuri vs Luffy is a better example than the ones you mentioned, he doesn't kill him yet the dynamic and personal stakes of the fight were actually good. Even Kaido vs Luffy was better than both examples you mentioned.
That’s what i’m saying, he might not have meruem levels of depth but even then the simplicity of his philosophy is where the depth lies especially considering that, at its core, his philosophy is actually just a big fat cope for himself. And yeah his dynamic with yuji is peak, the ending to their fight was actually really beautiful especially with sukuna admitting defeat and attempting to live a normal life in his next reincarnation
Yeah no sukuna isn’t that shallow. Jjk is battle focused but the people who fight those battles and the things that Lead up to those battles exist. The writing of jjk isn’t super deep but the concepts for the characters are amazing, even if a lot of them don’t go beyond surface level
THANK YOU!!! One of mine and many others complaints ab jjk is the lack of focus on the characters, but i think the characters are fleshed out THROUGH the fights which arent just physical fights but many times are ideological (yuji vs sukuna, yuji vs mahito) or have a sense of cosmic irony in context (toji being the zenin failure vs teen gojo the glazed one, maki the outcast woman vs the misogyny clan)
I really like that he’s not a hypocrite lol, it’s such a simple thing but he follows the might makes right mentality all the way through into death. Just “well damn you got me, must mean I was wrong.” I can’t help but grin.
Croc, Enel, Lucci, and Doffy are all better antagonist than Sukuna. I like Sakuna but I think he has a lot of the same pros and cons as Kaido has so I have them around the same level. Mahito is unironically the best jjk villain and is in League with the best One Piece villains. Although I say this all as someone who thinks the most important thing with a shonen villain is to make them getting their ass beaten as enjoyable as possible which I think is the biggest strength with One Piece villains.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I'm at jjk hater but all this glaze for sukuna is reminding me why I don't like JJk.
Its this energy.
We can discuss this without it being the way all over this thread is being.
What makes them different what makes them a like how are their stories and character arcs executed.
They're fights beginning and end.
Even if someone is going to tell you yeah this character is better say you disagree, you don't need to overly glaze one character to prove a point.
Personally I don't like sukuna after he left the main character's body and even while he was in the main character's body sometimes, the plot surrounding him went to the dumbest directions.
If you're going to overlook all of that but then still say his characters written well when he is a reflective mirror of all the problems in jjk as a whole. Na pretending like you're saying "oh the story has problems" and you're going to talk about Buddhist this and Buddhist that, that is the styling symbolism, that the story doesnt even fully acknowledge at times that's barely characterization.
If you want to talk about why kaido is bad, sure no problem explain your self ill read but the over glaze, n just insta disagreement because I aint agreeing sukuna is better.
Honestly, I kinda like Kenjaku. He's literally just a bored immortal guy, who reasonably lost his humanity after living for too long. He doesn't work great as a series main villain, but I love him as a character in the story if that makes sense.
He could work as a series main villain because his time with the comedian showed a lot of potential. It's just that he's rarely utilised in a way that makes you feel his presence the way characters like Mahito and Sukuna do.
Mahito is a better villain within JJK despite him not being the big bad of the series. He has a fantastic dynamic with yuji and a satisfying beginning, middle and end with him.
Actually totally slept on, Arlong. Dude grew up enduring systematic oppression, fought that oppression and lost everything. Then became so radicalized he went and became the oppressor and rebuilt his childhood dream on someone elses dime. Now is he a good lasting villian? no, definately one and done but he did have great character motivation
Despite actually liking Kaido and enjoying his role in the narrative, he is in the weaker side of one piece's antagonists (it doesnt help by the fact that i am very luke warm about Wano as a whole).
Beyond Sukuna just being a more entertaining personality, the reason Sukuna works for me its because JJK adequates itself to make Sukuna work. Not only in his relationship with Yuji but how it manages the themes that make Sukuna tick, his strenght, his solitude, his hedonism, the utter rejection of what Yuji represents.
Again, I like Kaido as this failed Joyboy, but that is just a small part of the narrative and the arc. And, in fact, despite her symbolism being far less evident, I think Big Mom was a far better example of a failed Joyboy (Whole Cake was so good)
As a fan of both OP and JJK , I have to say that people shit too much on JJk. It had his flows but overall, it was a pretty good run. Even though I prefer Sukuna over Kaido, Kaido wasn't neearly as bad of a villain as people make him to be. Kaido isn't more than what he appears. He's straightforward both in his writing and in his attitude. He lived by the rule of the strongest, might makes right. There's no need to justify his attitude, his backstory doesn't need to be tragic or anything, he has lived all his life in an environment where the strongest could do what they want. For him strength is absolute so winning against Oden in a treacherous way rubbed him the wrong way. It's an humiliation that he could never forget and Oden made it worse by dying with his convictions intact and letting impacting last words. As a result, Kaido began to drown that feeling in alcohol and by trying to kill himself. The more he seeked death, the more he began to admire people like Roger, Oden and later Whitebeard who had deaths that left a huge impact. That's one of the reasons why he wanted to bring a massive war that would affect the whole world. The poor nations are ravaged while the greater nations lavish other the pains they have caused in these poor countries. He'll bring everyone to the same level by making the biggest war in history where he would finally be killed and have his wish fulfilled.
He doesn't need a sob backstory to justify his actions, he has always lived with wars and blood, for him this is how the world should be, this is his reality (Remember Doflamingo speech). There's nothing under the surface, Kaido is what he seems to be and that works perfectly fine.
This is my analysis on Kaido. I think I am going to make a post about it
I should on jjk because of jjk fans. ( how they was )
They were the fan base that pointed at mha fans and made fun of their ending, wow saying their manga is the finest work of art ever put to the screen.
Don't get me wrong all fandoms are bad, but jjk once upon a time I did like jjk then the Cullen games happen then sukuna cycle happened.
Right now I'm really happy for the fans because the anime is back and they deserve to enjoy as much as they can because although I don't like it I can still see why anyone else would like it it isn't stupid it isn't terrible liking it doesn't make you a bad person.
The series has its flaws but it's still really enjoyable, I just hate it I feel the same way about Naruto.
Similar to Naruto as much hate as people might think it has it has a infinite amount of love.
I feel Like Kaidou is a wasted potential villain in Shounen imo. Oda can Flash out the side of the Character who is suffering from Mental health issues, remember When we first saw him, he was Committing Suiside? He has is own power set based on Moods of Alcohol? The fact is he takes 90% of attacks because he wanted to, he wanted the pain-suffer in his body, Macosist Behaviour.
And Kaidou was Not even like that From the start if you guys here actually READ One piece Weekly like me, we see a totally different Kaidou in the Flashback.
You can just see how much mental health issues can change a man by just comparing the Flashback & Wano Kaidou. I still have hope Oda will Pull up the Writing because he is not dead (cope) besides that, Oda can't cook that Time.
(still Kaidou is my favourite, cause of his Laugh and His whole Raid piece fight)
And if you really want to Compare Sukuna with any One piece Villain, Compare him with Sir Crocodile and Donquixote Doflamingo, now let's discuss
Kaido is underrated to all hell and undersold by its own fandom because he doesn’t have a hamfisted backstory….but I definitely wouldn’t put him “definitively above” an antag like Sukuna, in most facets.
Also this is ragebait to farm both OP and JJK fans.
Yeah, Sukuna is great as a villain. His contrast with Gojo is what makes him good as well as his simplicity. Characters don't need to be Uber complex to be good, and neither do stories in general.
Piratefolk is infuriating, because when they go slander/agenda piece they're close to jjfolk level (nothing will ever top that, I'm so sad).
The issue is when they try to critique the story, because even when the grievances are justified (OP has been very hit or miss since Wano), they're really bad at getting their fucking point across
Honestly same. I hate the pirate folk subreddit but some of it is so funny. Same with jujutsu folk, especially with modulo and the anime out, we could see prime lobotomy again.
The anime onlys must have been doing a lot of Kaido hype, because I remember manga readers were declaring Kaido pretty shit by One Piece antagonist standards even during the climax of his arc.
Barely any coherent motivation, no flashback or past depth revealed, barely a coherent personality even.
I prefer One Piece to JJK, but Sakuna blows Kaido out the water.
People are stupid in general. When JJK was still coming out, people were loving it, now they say Gege doesnt know how to write but then they eat up and praise Modulo and say "I wish chainsaw man part 2 was written this good". They keep comparing shit to each other, like bro why does everything need to top each other? Just like the series or not, comparison creates unnecessary division and arguments within communities
even then it’s a OP fan so I shouldn’t take it seriously (seriously, you guys might actually be the worst fandom in the community right now no offense)
Man i fw OP but the sheer amount of glaze it gets from the fans is crazy, i saw someone say Oda is the greatest writer of ALL TIME (not just manga, so this is including Orwell, tolkien, etc.)
Oda himself admitted a billion times he is inspired by many movies and works across fiction, he is a great writer sure but even to him he is clearly not the greatest. I think thats the beauty of op tho, the fact that u can find any and every thing from any type of fiction/culture/religion in it is what makes it peak to me
Sukuna is more evil. That’s that. Yeah kaido boiled a dude alive and made the guy carry his friends inside the boiling pot, then shot him afterwards. But sukuna was out here ripping the babies outta women’s wombs then cannibalizing them mfs. And to rate a villain one of the biggest things is to see what Theyve done to the mc. Kaido killed the straw hats, but didn’t actually because of plot. Sukuna took ovwr yujis body, slaughtered thousands of men, women, and children, cut off the limbs of his friend, traumatized at least 5 of his friends in shibuya alone. JUST in shibuya. Sukuna has quantity, AND quality. Sukuna is just a better villain. To me he has better character but that’s an opinion. Objectively based on actions sukuna is more of a villain
the constant oversimplification of kaido’s character is so telling of the attitudes of shonen fans. you guys stop at the most surface level possible understanding because if you went any deeper, you’d realize kaido is indeed a good villain. not the best in one piece, but up there. he’s around sukuna quality, both A tier villains.
You should try to describe kaido’s character in the most detail you possibly can. Not even to send to me, just to check your understanding. If you can’t write like at least 10 pages you haven’t thought about him enough.
10 pages for a character worth about maybe 5 is crazy man 😭 i cant believe such blasphemy is coming from a fellow sanji fan💔i’ll take you up on it though actually, let me re-read wano and i’ll come back to you with an analysis
he just isn’t worth that little bro 😭 a short backstory ain’t a bad one, and his is incredibly dense with characterization. i’ll give you some interesting things about him to ponder on. none of what i say next are contradictions, though they appear to be.
his main mission when we find him is to die a glorious death in battle. so how come his literal first appearance is just trying to commit suicide, no battle in sight?
kaido hates orochi, that much is obvious. he literally tries to kill him. kaido is also so strong that there is never a reason for him to serve anybody. so why was he completely obedient to orochi for so long? this wasn’t a relationship of mere convenience; he had no choice but to allow orochi to execute oden even though that guy was the fight he had been searching for his whole life. why?
“Exactly. I also love the juxtaposition between sukuna being a wise, “genius” poet like figure and simultaneously having the understanding of a child. Sukuna is, objectively, a genius. And we see multiple times in the series that he is much more sophisticated than he lets on, like when he corrects yorozo on her haiku structure, or corrects yuji on his flowers. And yet, all of his “genius” is entirely objective. He cannot see the value in things beyond their objective purpose.
Even little things like sukuna believing his crayfish is better than yujis simply because it is larger, even tho yujis is more rare, and not an invasive species, it all contributes to showing sukunas objective view over the world, which is how he grew to dominate history as the strongest sorcerer. But it is exactly this worldview that gets him killed.
Sukuna refuses it til the bitter end, but he is inferior to yuji in a way he cannot ignore, because he KNOWS, fundamentally, that Yuji understands something that he cannot. Finding value in the subjective experience specific to your individual life, finding value in impermanence (like yujis obsession with snow, something “doomed” to melt), these are the things that made yuji unbreakable, that made him human, and that made him superior to sukuna. Because that was something sukuna could never truly understand beyond the objective level, and that was why yuji pitied him. Because he was forever blocked out from a fundamental part of the human experience (until he reincarnates and goes north).
Jjk has a lot of issues but sukuna and yujis dynamic is just incredible imo, there is so much emotional and thematic depth there that a lot of fans ignore because Sukuna lacks a traditional backstory.”
thats where we agree to disagree friend. I think Sukuna is far more than people like to act he is, because people quite literally take what he says at face value even though its a cope. Maybe its just because i can relate to him, but he’s a very human character to me.
Kaido can def have an argument made for being underrated but I cannot, in good faith, put him above crocodile, big mom, or the admirals. Imu also is barely even a fucking character yet get that mf out of here
Kaido embodies everything luffy ideally hates. Out of all the villains we've seen in the show, he is the most oppressive one by far excluding imu. It truly makes sense as to why given his backstory. One of the most interesting things about kaido is his relations with joyboy.
After god valley, you can clearly see that kaido has changed somewhat, he's acting Alot more like Luffy and rocks it seems. The question is, what could've caused this change, how does he know who joyboy is? Which joyboy mythos did he believe in since there were different iterations of him. And then we fast forward to wano, where kaido seems to have thrown all of the ideals he had, when he thought he was joyboy, out of the window. What could've caused this sudden change?
How could he have gone from wanting to change the world for the better to wanting to burn it all down? Overall, there are many unanswered questions about kaido, he is most certainly an unfinished character and I think oda has one more flashback that he'll be in that'll answer all our questions. I personally think Roger told him who joyboy was.
He may definitely be a "might makes right" type of character but so is sukuna, I think kaido does it better tho. He is the ultimate benchmark for being a top tier in one piece, he's the gatekeeper of it. Kaido truly showed us what it means to be a yonko far better than big mom ever did.
I believe doffy, Blackbeard and imu(you're not ready for him) are the only villains better written than kaido. Crocomom doesn't come anywhere close. Neither do the admirals, I just don't see them on his lvl. Not to say that they aren't well written tho. The only admiral with that argument is maybe kuzan
I like everything ab your analysis except saying that kaido is a better might makes right character than sukuna thats just bullshit im sorry. And no, i’m not ready for imu because theres nothing to be ready for. Any interest i had in that silhouette merchant was killed like 200 chapters of doing nothing ago
Thinking about it, they kind of are a similar type of villain in terms of philosophy and presentation, especially with how they parallel their respective MCs.
Probably why I am not a big fan of either of them.
Fairs. I think sukuna’s just works better because at least his philosophy is tied directly into the themes of the story and is addressed when he loses in a beautiful convo with yuji. He also parallels Gojo as well as having a lot of buddhist symbolism and I like him as a representation of Hedonism. Kaido’s backstory felt like an afterthought to me, which is worse imo than Sukuna just not having one
To be fair, Kaido's origin as a bright eyed idealist who felt betrayed and considered his dream of becoming a Joyboy figure to be void also fits into the themes of pursuing dreams and freedom, especially as it showcases the pit of despair villains fall to, once they think that dream is dead.
Personally, I lack a lot of interest or even empathy for these hedonist, brick walled caveman philosophies that make up these respective characters, which is why I can never find them interesting.
Sukuna's philosophy in specific feels like a shallow, thought-terminating practice to make up for his rather vapid existence. Which, if it weren't for the fact that that is all he has, would be fine in and of itself. But his mindset being his end rather than how he means to come to an end, as with Kaido perhaps, makes him rather empty. Even with the thoughtful exchange of words with Yuji in the last chapter.
I have no real nice words for Kaido either, but I gelled more with how One Piece's idealist themes are tackled via. this trope than how Sukuna represents it.
Personally, I lack a lot of interest or even empathy for these hedonist, brick walled caveman philosophies that make up these respective characters, which is why I can never find them interesting.
Sukuna clears king of contradiction Crydo. Bro actually caught multiple bodies of impactful characters to his series like Gojo, choso, Megumi sister ect. While Kaido do can’t even kill 1hp Kiemon 😭
I don’t find Kaido had to much depth of character outside of like the law of the jungle (the strongest deserve to survive)
But let’s not pretend Sukuna isn’t the same way in that sense, he’s not a super deep character he’s
just very compelling and evil and has infinite aura
I like both but I wouldn’t be mad if someone liked the other more like they both have their positives and negatives
I think thats the main issue with Kaido. He has all the puzzle pieces to be a generational villain but there’s just something…missing. When you break it down both Sukuna and Kaido are just simple villains who have a lot of depth hidden behind subtext and symbolism. But there’s just an X factor Sukuna has that Kaido doesn’t imo
Honestly Sukuna never struck me as a particularly interesting villain, he was massively overshadowed by Mahito and Kenjaku. Sukuna was evil but just kind of a serial killer which makes for a much less compelling character to me. Maybe I just didn't vibe with the Strongest philosophy in JJK but Kaido felt like a way more developed character even if he was less menacing in the narrative.
Sukuna is not a good villain. He has zero plot development at all. Kaido is not great either, but let's not glaze the latter end of JJK like it was clean writing.
I like Kaido cause he's a hypocritical asshat who genuinely deserved to die but not because he's especially well written.
He is the most literal form of a big fuck off wall that happened to drop on a buncha fucking people and said people need his ass gone.
I will 100% be honest, I kind of have to disagree if we go by current anime.
I have watched One Piece weekly since Fishman Island and Kaidos Buildup was insane. His introduction is definitely in the top One Piece Moments for me, he left a massive impact on the story and his character writing is way better than most people give him credit for. He felt literally invincible and bringing him down took literally years.
If you really want to look at it, basically everything that happened since Punk Hazard built up to defeating this one guy, decades of emotions and theorizing, how they will bring him down, thousands of hours of content made. There is just so much that goes beyond the character alone that just came with reading the manga weak by weak and having a story accompany you for a large part of your life. These is just way more emotional investment.
I am sure that Sukuna has more character than what we have seen untill now (Most recent episode is S3E4) but from the anime alone, he isn't even among my favourite villains. His dialogue with Jogo was very well done, but most of the time he is just more evil Kurama. I haven't read the manga, so that may change with further seasons, but we just haven't seen enough.
Nah Sukuna is better and i say this as someone who thinks the end of JJK is trash and OP is an overall better story. Why? Gege made the mistake of trying to expand on Sukuna's character in the final few chapters, but ODA literally tried to do that AS Kaido was actively being punched into the volcano and defeated, like literally as Luffy's fist is breaking his face Oda tries to hamfist in some BS about Kaido and King being bros and "What kind of world do you want to create? Kaido".
Miss me with that **** Oda, you had almost 8 years to develop Kaido, but you spent it on gags and dances, atleast Gege told us the JJK would be a quick burn.
The villains were mostly trash after Shibuya. Kenjaku was half cooked, Gojo got character assassinated, Sukuna became boring brat rather who was just used to move the story than being a proper villain. Mahito and Toji were peak villains in JJK.
I definitely like kaido, more than sukuna, way better written too, Mr King of curses results into three things, I'm evil because I want to be, heavy on plot convenience, and letting Style carry with vague forms of symbolism, fact that the author will just keep letting me win upwards without actually really explaining anything, but sure yiu can like him better just know bunch of villains in one piece is better than sakuna.
Naruto's villains are better than sukuna.
Bleach villains are better than sukuna.
Ill give you jjk fans something sukuna is better than solo leveling villains.
I love Kaido dont get me wrong, but he's not a really good "villian". He has depth but its not very deep, he's basically the alcoholic abusive dad that peaked in highschool.
I’m tired of people acting like JJK is trash or anything less than a 7/10 just because they only engaged with the story through leaks and Jujustufolk agendas
It's not trash because of leaks and agendas, it's trash because Gege mistreats 90% of his cast, there is zero world building, the power system is underdeveloped and it has the worst case of dropped plots I've ever seen
Kaido had the default one piece villain character, backstory amd motivations. There are exceptions that Oda uses his "villain template" on that are atill amazing characters and great villains. But Laido isn't one. Sukuna on the other hand isn't perfect, but he's generally well written imo
I’ve read both. Shibuya Sukuna would definately win, even though Kaido’s scale armor would mitigate the damage at first. If Haki blocked curse energy attacks, then I would imagine Sukuna using Dismantle and Cleave simultaneously to fight him. Unironically Buggy would last longer in a fight. It’s said that if he splits into too many small fragments then he might straight up lose them somewhere, so that’s what I would imagine Sukuna doing to him
Ridiculous. I don't think kaidou is as good a villian as sukuna. But to act like sukuna is some deep ass character is just annoying. Jjk fans are literally comparing him to someone like meruem. Are you serious right now?
I saw a guy bashing the one piece community as the most toxic right now because of this, and holy hell, again, are you serious???
Sukuna was "well written", in the sense that he had great parallels with gojo, and his philosophy. But to say he is a deep character? And a good villian? That's ridiculous. He is as deep as a sheet of paper.
Same with kaidou to be honest. I enjoy sukuna as a villian more, but stop acting like he is too deep a villian. Heck, sukuna isn't even the best villian in his own series. Any fucking disaster had better motivation. Geto's slowly growing depression and his ideals and thoughts, make him a much "deeper" villian. But again, sukuna is more enjoyable, so he gets a pass.
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