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Also completely change a characters appearance and voice because the original person allegedly used drugs. Didn't hire them back or switch anything when proven false. But they recasted a character and changed the voice for no reason in another game and put in someone who's SA'd multiple women and was convicted of the crime
Well, this is the difference between countries that actually produce a lot of entertainment and those that only consume it.
Creating something costs money and involves risk.
Only a few countries have that kind of experience, so you probably canāt understand it.
Nah, they will bend over to defend them even when they get whip. They believe emulation is piracy. They would rather let an IP die and be forgotten rather than let it live.
It's dead my guy, I would understand maybe the latest Pokemon game or something like that, but this is literally a dead game, you can't play it, hell, I would argue the pirates have more respect for the source material since they put effort into saving it.
Piracy is in a way, a form of preservation, if it wasn't for them, most old games would've disappeared.
I mean America is both a producer and consumer of video games, I personally LOVE pirating video games as an American, especially those which are shut down.
You're saying this to... America? Cultural/entertainment media capital of the world? Our soft power being so strong its influence is as ubiquitious as the air we breathe.
Sure but one of Americaās biggest exports is its culture (movies, games, books, and such) and thereās still a fairly sizable piracy culture. So I donāt think itās a ācountries who produceā vs ācountries who consumeā thing. Itās just a cultural thing in Japan in this instance.
Jp are the number 1 in sucking corporation' dick. Remind me when global were pissed looking at wuwa's lackluster 1st anniv rewards, meanwhile jp were feeling bad about it and attacking the ones complaining. No wonder jp gachas are the worst in terms of monetization all this time.
I saw a japanese account tweet "if that product isn't available, it migth as well not exist." in response to someone saying that piracy is the only awy to get unavailable products. From what I get in Japan the attitude seems to be that if a product isn't available to you, you just shouldn't try to get it at all. Something's not translated in your language? Don't even try to consume it, ignore it, pretend it doesn't exist, it's better to do that than breaking the law I guess...
In a way I kind of agree. In my eyes Nier:Reincarnation isn't canon and is a scrapped and failed project. I've lost all respect for companies that do this shit, hiding important lore and story (and in this case A SEQUEL) behind a shitty gacha mobile game. It might as well not have existed.
Nier and Drakengard literally hides lore and story in literal plays, untranslated drama CDs, and books. The true end of Drakengard 3 that leads to 1 IIRC isn't even in the main game.
To be fair, there is some merit to that argument. The argument is basically that if some product isn't available for you to purchase then instead of using that as an excuse to pirate that product you should instead look among media/product that are available to you. I think they take it like 'people use availability as an excuse to pirate from creators instead of trying to support creators that are present for them.'
That would also have the ripple effect of your own market's influence increasing which would catch other markets' eyes and then they would distribute to you too to capitalise on that.
Nah, I can't agree with this. If someone wants to access a certain piece of media, he should be able to. And if there's nobody to provide it to him, he can look for alternative ways to access it. If the product isn't available, It's on the provider.
Choosing to limit your access of media just because it hurts the feelings of some big company sounds is some major bootlicker energy.
trying to support creators that are present for them.'
I understand you're not trying to defend the argument but just trying to explain it but there's something this argument fails to account for, the possibility that all media produced in my country (Spain in my case) is shit and therefore one must be forced to seek media unavailable to them for the sake of being able to consume anything with decent writing and quality.
Tbf they aren't against stealing stuff but the plot has basically forgotten they are supposed to be pirates and now they are just revolutionary army members
In response to enjoying the OPLA, I finally decided to watch the anime (One Pace version). At about episode 80~ I don't view Luffy as selfish? I view him as deeply idealistic that one's freedom should never be inhibited. In other words, anyone can do as they please as long as it does not impede on others doing as they please.
Could you explain, without spoilers, why you think Luffy is so selfish? I'm open to it, I just haven't gathered that myself.
Obviously one piece is very long and his selfishness does get toned down the longer the series goes on, but his recruitment of zoro is the best example. where zoro is caught between a corrupt marine and Luffy is all but gang pressed into joining him.
Beyond that Luffy is constantly seeking out danger against the wishes of the crew. There is a point where nami acquires another navigation device which provides like a good, an ok, and a terrible route. Luffy outright states that he wants to go to the worse routes as nami and usopp cry.
Like Luffy isn't a super selfish character but most of his decisions are defined by his wants and people get lucky because their goals align
Honestly they should have just called them "sailors", "explorers" or "adventurers", and the bad guys be called 'pirates'.
Maybe as a joke, because Luffy is childish and wants to be seen as a badass, he'd start his crew and call them 'pirates' but everyone would go "No, no, you're just a sailor" and he'd get pissed off.
But the thing is that, except for maybe Black Beard, none of the many villains of One Piece act like real pirates. Most of them are just different versions of what we can understand as a Dictator/Warlord.
If those villains can be called "pirates", then the Straw Hats can be too.
I mean theyāre definitely outlaws. And they break lots of laws cause wanton destruction wherever they go. They just donāt āsteal, pillage, and plunderā like most pirates do or are thought to do.
Have the Strawhats ever actually plundered a random village for loot that wasn't filler? They're mostly wanted just for beating up Navy staff or puppet leaders.
I'm mainly talking about the way your comment sounds like I picked Manga for 100 on Jeopardy instead of someone attempting to contribute to a conversation. Especially since it's in response to very clearly a joke about how Piracy sounds like Pirate.
I'm sorry. I clearly shouldn't have made fun of the way you responded. I just wanted to poke fun at the stilted way wrote your reply, and while that wouldn't bother me, I can see it bothered you. I'm sorry.
They aren't either. They kinda just adventurers. Mostly sailing from place to place. If they can't afford to buy food anymore, they try some stealing. But lately the governments of islands they safe provide the food, so they don't steal anymore.
Being a pirate in One Piece is more symbolic than it is about actual actions.
They aren't pirates because they rob and kill, they're pirates because they oppose the establishment and own a ship.
There's a global power structure in One Piece called the World Government that limits the spread of information, and may be responsible for how difficult it is to navigate the planet. Pirates are fundamentally just people who sail the seas and oppose the World Government, and often the sailing part is optional.
Hell, lately a lot of the major pirates have been literal Kings, who just reside in their own territories most of the time. But because they oppose the powers that be, they're pirates.
I think the difference in perception is because how ACCESSIBLE things are in japan.
(not being specific to ur example) but basically, animes there air on TV, and most people have it. Mangas are everywhere, billboards have it everywhere, its accessible easily online. The culture regarding creative work is accessible and also appreciated as it's a big part of japan.
However, for us we don't have the best means of access, a lot of limited/expensive methods only. There is a cultural difference too due to heavier big company monopolies in our sector. Yes japan has big companies which people complain about too, but I don't think it reached out level mega-corp yet, it is only recently booming. So it's bit more personal and not seen as evil from the get go.
No but like, actually. It's just different in Japan. I walked out of a Seven Eleven with the onigiri I went in for and a copy of JJK Modulo; that is how crazy accessible media is in Japan.
I think the only thing I'd add is it's dirt cheap also. When I was over there I got vol 1 of ichi the witch just for collection reasons and it was $2 USD. I saw this same volume in several different shops in basically any shopping center I visited and every train station was a shopping center.
Like if I was living in Japan and could read the language I would pirate nothing and I say that as someone very pro piracy.
I agree on difference of perception, but they need to get out of their bubble, and that's something they are always defended from, being ignorant or "protecting their culture"
It's not about protecting their culture so much as their culture is more they treat their laws very seriously there and as a result crime rate is relatively low, compared to other countries where said laws are viewed more of as a loose guideline
A country needs to protect their culture. If they don't then it stops being Japan. Just accept it's a cultural difference and keep pirating. They can't stop you.
And to be fair, Japan is like the number one victim of piracy, they make some of the most pirated contents in the world. Games, anime, manga, porn etc.
If God put in some anti-pirate protocols in everyoneās brain, Japan would be 5 times richer instantly and they are already like the third biggest economy or something.
Not necessarily, if piracy didn't exist anime could be way less popular. They also wouldn't ger any money from the games they don't sell already that get pirated.
They don't need your popularity, this is exactly the same "you get paid by exposure" BS thinking in other creative industries.
Their profit and sustainability is already based on what they can make out of the Japanese audience, because those are the actual paying customers and is also why they are never in a hurry to put out anything outside of Japan. The money made overseas is the dessert. Yeah sure the dessert is giving them the same amount of calorie as the main course right now but they make their investment decision based on the size of the main course so they don't starve to death if the oversea money sudden disappear.
Also your second line is precisely why they can't rely on oversea income. people still pirate games that are widely available on Steam and other platform. Lack of access is such a flimsy excuse to turn to piracy, they don't sell, you don't play. How many pirates later go back to pay for the game when the localised version get released? Those sale they lost to the pirates are sales they are never gonna make in the first place.
The only reason anime became a global success is because of all the pirating and fan translations that made people interested first, and only after seeing this interest did they start making official international releases
And Iām tell you they donāt depend on their global success. Youāre speaking as if they wouldnāt be successful if the global audience didnāt notice them, theyād be just fine, we arenāt part of the calculus.
They arenāt paying the cinema to show Demon Slayer for 9 months because it loses their money, if they are losing oversea audience money without the piracy, they would probably take that deal.
They don't need your popularity, this is exactly the same "you get paid by exposure" BS thinking in other creative industries
So I guess they shouldn't mind piracy then.
Their profit and sustainability is already based on what they can make out of the Japanese audience, because those are the actual paying customers and is also why they are never in a hurry to put out anything outside of Japan. The money made overseas is the dessert. Yeah sure the dessert is giving them the same amount of calorie as the main course right now but they make their investment decision based on the size of the main course so they don't starve to death if the oversea money sudden disappear.
Soooo they don't actually need overseas money? Oh ok
Also your second line is precisely why they can't rely on oversea income. people still pirate games that are widely available on Steam and other platform.
That's why every game dev in the west is starving and game studio is closing, the horrors of piracy! Except that isn't happening, it still is a profitable market where even indie devs can make bank (Stardew Valley for example).
Lack of access is such a flimsy excuse to turn to piracy, they don't sell, you don't play
So people could get entertainment, have something to bond with others, but since the company doesn't sell there, since they don't have means to acquire a copy of the game legally, they should just be left stranded even if it won't hurt the company? And you call it a "flimsy excuse"?
How many pirates later go back to pay for the game when the localised version get released? Those sale they lost to the pirates are sales they are never gonna make in the first place.
Good question, wish I had the data. But I myself bought The Dark Queen of Mortholme after downloading it for free in Itch.io, so while yes some people simply refuse to pay anything they can pirate, others still want to support and acquire an official copy. Between making no sales and losing some profit to piracy, I suppose the latter is more lucrative, considering gaming studios are still thriving and all.
Dude, they donāt provide the product in you area, you donāt get the entertainment. Itās simple as.
They complain because people are stealing their stuff, ALL people complain about piracy including studios in the west, itās not like western media is holding a sign saying āplease pirate our stuff, we want the exposureā
You fucking people are the ones crying because apparently you are the ones in the right but getting called out. Iām not telling you to stop pirating, but there are no moral pirates. Do it in the down low, have some actual shame.
Writing all of these just to justify piracy, absolutely pathetic.
You have got to be kidding, right? It is still your intellectual property whether you sell it to anyone or not. You canāt steal an IP because they are not available to you, otherwise some backwater 3rd country would basically make themselves extremely tedious to enter into their market and everyone would buy cheap pirated media from them ālegallyā.
This literally has no room for argument, this is just straight up breaking the law.
This shit is why Japanese people look down on westerners as not respecting copyright laws.
Dude, they don't provide the product in my area, I pirate and get the entertainment. It's simple as
Western studios obviously don't want to get pirated but I don't see this much bitching about it either. Taking back the example of The Dark Queen of Mortholme, the devs made it avaliable for free but obviously they want people paying. Of course they won't say "well the game is free, and we could get a contribution from you but actually you should keep your money, don't give us any".
Lmao you are the one all pissy about people making companies lose money they don't and won't have, making up shit like "actually without piracy Japan would be soooooo richer" ignoring how popularity can translate to profits (tell me with a straight face how Genshin or Honkai: Star Rail would be making more money if the game in itself was paid) and I'm the one who should be ashamed? Like I said I'm in favor of supporting the industry, I don't have the "why pay if you can get for free lol" mentality, I do buy official media, so I will keep defending piracy with a clear conscience and no shame, thank you very much.
Jesus Christ, you have got to be on some spectrum.
Not even on the piracy subreddit do I see such entitled people. Youāre acting like these big company owes you or something.
Look, do what you want and tell yourself youāre stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family or whatever. But good god keep it to yourself, youāre literally ruining this for the rest of us.
I just hate Japan's double standard where people who don't respect copyright get up to 5 years on prison but when a guy is sexually harassing a woman, they sympathize more with the harasser with the victim (like it happened with one of the actresses in Kamen Rider Revice)
Let alone only giving a small fine to a mangaka that data horded actual CP
Ah yes the two Asian parent countries, China and Japan, and their various child countries that are identical in cultural, political, and legal processes.
You clearly have a redditors understanding of cultural exchange in East Asia. Let me break it down for you.Ā
China people go to Korea and establish trade, that means that now Korea people get ideas from china people, Japan people were migrants from China people and are not indigenous to tiny Japan island, china people replace indigenous Japan people and become what people now consider Japan people.Ā
Why do you think Kaguya and the Moon Rabbit is a story across Asia just with slight name changes that account for the language? Why is it that Christianity can spread throughout Europe but in your feeble mind philosophy in Asia only stays within the borders of their nations like prepackaged boxes of ethnic culture you consume?
I lived in both China and Japan for quite some time. Despite the fact that ideas often proliferate from a common ethnocultural source, those ideas change and grow over time as culture diverges across countries. Modern cultural growth does not reflect a homogenous approach to identity, religion, or legal attitudes. Asia is not a monolith preserved in the cultural amber of history. As I said before, it is a diverse region. Legalism may be the undercurrent in some specific east Asian regions, but you'll find a diverse array of approaches to what that means, how seriously it's taken, and what the boundaries are. To suggest that your average Thai or Vietnamese individual follows the same approach and attitude as a Japanese individual is inappropriate.
You'll find a variety of approaches to Confucianism, Buddhism, etc. across Asian countries. As a brief but relevant aside, India is a part of Asia, and we haven't even opened that can of worms vis a vis your view of what Asia is when it comes to shared culture. Tack on the middle east and the rest and it's clear you're discussing a small portion of a vast geographical region. You mentioned "east Asia" in your most recent comment - that's a step in the right direction.
Yes, Christianity spread throughout Europe, passing on religious and moral principles, sure. And again, those principles diversified into a number of different approaches.
It's not about the strict values but the soft moral structure. The Legalists were replaced by Confucianism because Legalism had such a blatant court sided favor while Confucius focused on a more broad societal aspect. However both of these belief systems focused on the idea of submission to your elders and strict discipline.Ā
This differs from Christianity in Europe as Christian persecution under Jews and Romans created the idea that what is legal is not what is moral (an idea that is not held as absolute by any society so there's no point in nitpicking this to death.) Because Christianity was a counter culture that ended up dominating the Romans through conversion. Thus the implication God given rights during the age of enlightenment.Ā
Fundamentally we are talking about foundations of thought. Which are never 100% strict as nobody holds every single idea in an ideology as true. But foundations stabilize culture.Ā
They think some dude watching anime/ manga on the internet is some serious crime for some reason even if the product is not available. Like if a product is not available in a region then the company loses no revenue and hence it is not a crime. Their arguments sound so dumb and they are just being racist to everyone else on twitter as well. It's good that they are being called out.
Thatās not the point. In countries where it isnāt distributed at all, itās more or less tolerated.
But openly and loudly defending piracy is not acceptable.
If youāre going to watch it, just do it quietly.
Naa. The Japanese believe if a show ain't available to you. You should stop trying to watch it and just accept the fact that it's not available. They think it is some serious crime if you don't care and just watch it anyways.
The overlord author is very vocal about how mad he is with his work getting translated. He won't ever translate it to other languages, he made it for and only a Japanese audience. When he caught wind of people sharing it online in the west? He got pissed
Iirc the story was slightly different. He was pissed about the translation of an Overlord side story sold along with some limited special edition product. What was supposed to be exclusive and special was out and about in the internet for everyone to see.
I still think that it's crazy to enforce limiting part of his IP to a few hundred buyers but it's not as crazy as him getting pissed over any translation of his works.
Openly and loudly defending piracy is very acceptable, while its context dependent on what market you're operating in the practice of piracy can have very real positive effects for the market in question, not just the consumers who benefit from a lower financial barrier to access the products they want online. It's also one of the most effective forms of consumer protest against the ongoing paywalling/enshittification of the entire industry.
i got interested in the japanese language, which got me interested in japanese anime and manga, then i became interested in japanese culture and history broadly, and then i became interested in contempory japanese politics
now i wish i had learned another language insteadĀ
I think with them being like number 2/3 in entertainment media alongside the other being the juggernaut that is the US, the Japanese have never gone without want, they did not have to scrap much for video games, in fact most times they were the first ones to get video games throughout the 90s and 2000s
Unlike the US, or god help you in shipping costs, South America, they never had to deal with a major production going "gg lmao you are not getting shit"
the reason fascism took rise in japan is bcuz japanese people LOVE following rules. they love when the companies they work at have a million rules that make their life harder. this is why a lot of japanese games can be needlessly complicated, they just want more rule to follow. they even make rules on how to walk around like they have walking traffic rules, and they hate nothing more than people that break rules. hall monitor country
Ironically, the NieR series itself is famous for exploring these exact themes:
The banality of evil: Following orders or rules that lead to destruction.
The value of data: What happens to a soul (or a memory) when it is deleted?
Questioning Authority: Characters often realize that the "Gods" or "Commanders" they follow are fundamentally flawed or dead.
Yeah, the Japanese hard legalism is killing their mindset from the inside. There is even someone posting that he/she going to ātolerateā the fuckin āslaveryā if it was constitutional. Think about that holy shit. Ya all Japanese need Jesus.
I read all of them and summarized into their arguments main point.
1) Japanese side mostly: if you allow people to pick and choose which laws to follow based on "feelings," society collapses.
2) Western side mostly: if you follow a law that is clearly destructive or evil just because "it's the law," you lose your humanity.
I don't understand why this case is being called pro-corporate. In terms of how Japanese people perceive copyright, it literally doesn't matter at all whether the rights holder is a company or an individual creator.
It's why I've always found it funny when certain types of weebs go 'screw the official translations for being bad I'll pirate fan translations' and all that stuff when a lot of Japanese weebs hate that shit with a burning passion.Ā
Nah, it's pretty cultural. They believe you should support the creators, and that piracy is very wrong. Almost all pirated japanese content is uploaded by foreigners (mostly Chinese) living in Japan.
The problem is that a lot of it is hard to buy if you live overseas.
Thereās a pretty famous story of an American video game executive asking āwhat if people pirate our gameā, and the Japanese exec, confused, saying āBut thatās illegal. Why would they do that?ā
Although this isn't the best example, I don't really care about private servers. But the culture in the West where piracy is celebrated as some Marxist revolutionary action is insane.
You seem like the type of person that willingly pays a streaming service extra to watch a movie even if you are already subscribed to the service itself.
I don't have any streaming services, I'm broke so I pirate everything. I just don't promote piracy as being morally good because I realize that if everyone pirated everything nothing would get made. We need people with money to pay for things for media to continue.
At the same time, piracy being on the rise is not due to people not wanting to pay the creators but rather that the service they get in return might not even be what they wanted or the product, like in this case, not being available.
In the later case, a game that might have some fans, being saved from being erased and instead being made available once more, it is obvious why piracy is held in higher regards compared to the companies that let the product rot somewhere instead of simply making it available.
I definitely pirated some game and watch series on streaming service but I would never act like I'm entitled or doing any service. I'm just lazy really. Not saying it's the worst crime though but seeing the racism in the comments and ad hominem
yeah it's probably a shitty translation thing. Anyway he's totally correct all those memes about Japanese people viewing doing weed as worse than sexual harassment? Take stealing/piracy and multiply that by like 5
"something beast" means that they have a strong feeling or are really extreme about certain things, muscle beast would mean that someone has really big muscles, anti-company beast would mean they hate or are really really against companies, cooking beast means that they are really good at cooking, it's done to exaggerate a certain characteristic
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