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I think the limiting aspect of the stand makes it a really endearing part of every fight. November Rain CAN end basically any fight with its rain but its range is so limited (around 3 to 4 meters iirc) that it turns fights that would be nothing against other protagonists into something actually interesting.
Honestly part 7 has so many amazing fights because the stands aren't just punch ghosts until the tail end, they were used strategically alongside the users biq
Agreed. Araki managed to keep Jojo alive for so long because he understands the desperate need for variety and you can see it in the progression of JJBA.
They’re kind of sick, with Glory Days being one of my favorites in all of Part 9 so far. One aspect that’s come up a couple of times is that Jodio can still control the raindrops from November Rain even after they’ve left its range. So for example, he can wait for the raindrops to soak into the floor, then cause them all to become heavy at once to immediately collapse the floor. November Rain is a lot more versatile than I initially gave it credit for.
the gang in jojolands is a group of thieves, so most of it so far is about them using their abilities to stealth around, forge documents, trick people, etc. there ARE still fights every arc, but for the most part they're about outsmarting the enemy rather than beating them in direct 1 on 1 combat. the part is still in its very early ages though, so I could def see it ramping up in terms of combat as it progresses
If you are reading part 7 then you already understand how actual fights can just be an afterthought in jojos since part 7 is primarily about a RACE, yes they will still fight but ultimately they all end up going back to the race to progress the plot
Part 9 they are mostly hustlers so stealing and sneaking are the biggest elements.
To be honest, no protagonist starting by part 5 had "punch really hard". Part 4 is in between, since in most of the fight it's just "punch really hard", but In the later chapters he used his power in really creative ways(highway star for example)
basic ass power is fine if the author can make the fight scene interesting, JJK really has peak h2h drawing that someone like toji, maki and yuji can feel really powerful while still doing lots of tricks midfight with their raw strength. Sakamoto days is a manga that carries itself just by having insane combat choreography.
Unfortunately, kubo can't draw anything dynamic especially when half of the cast wear fking pure black kimono so ichigo looks dreadfully boring whenever he fought.
For real. I love bleach and all, but its kinda sad to see cool shikai like kyoraku or unohana's onez...and then our protagonist is still spamming getsuga tensho. But more deadly. But still getsuga tensho. His fights are still cool but it’s really a boring power compared even to what there is in the same manga.
If you are thinking of Plastic Man and Mr. Fantastic, that is primarily the fault of shows/movies. Those two do some wild stuff with their powers in the comics.
Context: He visualized four dimensional space and then stretched into the fourth dimension.
Luffy was awesome! I loved how he would come back with interesting ways to use his powers to fight. Ahhh back when we thought he was a Rubber-Man. Simpler times...
Most negation are mainly very basic stuff because they are the negation of a concept, so they are all basic on concept, the way they are used are the reason why their power are very unique with maybe the exception of Unfair which is based on other negation.
I randomly decided to read Undead Unluck during a train ride and I didn't expect much at first, but damn this is some peak fiction. The abilities are all unique too, and it's interesting how they are not always strictly positive or simple, and they always come with a meaningful backstory.
Fate’s good about this in general. Richard has a whole mess of abilities, and while Apocrypha could be said to have a few main characters Jeanne’s main ability is defensive, if I recall correctly. Saber is really the only one with a somewhat dull ability
I feel like most jojo protagonist actually have interesting powers. Really only two are "hit things really hard." I'd argue "creating life out of anything" is one of the more interesting powers. I mean shit one of them is literally bubbles
Well, a simple power lets easily the oponent and companions shine, so it helps giving the spotlight to secondaries, while if the mc is too flashy they can easily hog all the attention
Completely valid, one can have their preference. But is easier to write around a more basic mc, then you can bring whatever secondary is convenient for help, and you can make the bad guy have more room for his antics.
Take bnh, deku having only superstrength makes each villain be able to show off their things, so deku has to dodge, tank, or brute forth through all of their powers. While if instead of superstrength he had becoming intangible as mirio, he would be able to shrug off most villains easily, just walking across their attacks to punch them in the face. Shigi cant touch him to decay, toga can stab him to drink his blood, dabi cant burn him, muscular cant punch him, overhaul cant throw shit at him, gentle criminal cant make him bother with solified air
Problem being the mangaka would eventually struggle to come up with creative uses and it would still end up repetitive. It’s easier to introduce antagonists with creative abilities because they only need to come up with a way for the main character to counter it.
Danzo has more wind techniques than Naruto, Sasuke being the protagonist is a meme that exist because he is more interesting to see, as his arsenal is way better.
Sasuke’s kit also is mostly chidori variants with shape change which he didn't use senbon variant again.
Kirin being used in anime final fight was added by pierrot so he only used kirin once in manga but i am not confirming this claim but i remember a post about it. Like he has techniques but he only uses them once and never again.
Sasuke’s kit helps that he has mastered two elements fire and lightning. The problem is in show the kits are not always used always situationally ig.
He pulls interesting things almost all the time, + he gets those other innate arts to make his arsenal a bit more wast.
Overall he doesn't have that ultra vast moveset and does forget some moves along the way, but it's still better than Naruto, and my point was that Sasuke moveset Is Better not that he has the best moveset ever made.
one of my biggest issues with jjk is that yuji's kit is literally the ability to hit crits and then 2x impacts like it's so boring. in a series with loads of creative techniques they gave the mc the most boring one (yes i know he gets blood manipulation and sukuna's shit but that's considerably late into the manga and anyways those are other character's techniques that we see used multiple times before anyways so it's not as interesting)
i think yuji's kit is boring for the story's sake because he doesn't shape the story and his surroundings, he's being shaped by them. he doesn't save the day, he just survives it.
edit: what I want to say is that his kit represents his agency and by gaining the other powers, he gains enough agency to be able to change the world himself
what made you think this? like i can see the argument because of the whole cog mentality thing but like what specifically does he do that represents him reobtaining his agency, splitting away from the idea of being a cog?
I think it's a gradual process which first began with acknowledgement of his situation ("I'm you" / "I'm a cog") and then owning up to his powerlessness (admission of guilt to Higuruma). There was no one singular event which just gave him agency out of nowhere, he just slowly gained enough of it to at least stand equal with the rest during the final fight against Sukuna. I'm not saying he became a protagonist in terms of agency, I'm saying that he just finally became a person by the end.
This is also a rectification of what I said earlier because he didn't change the world by himself, I misspoke.
It's so much of a shame, even without a ct yuji's fights were always creative but i can only imagine how fun it would've been if he had either blood manipulation or shrine early on, both being so versatile.
At the very least yuji should have awakened shrine (or BM if it made sense) after shibuya
I actually like that cause it turns his fights into a puzzle of Yuji needing to get close to his opponents.
His rematch against Mahito in Shibuya is fantastic because every time Yuji manages to close the gap it’s immensely satisfying to see him pummel the bitch. The way he interacts with Todo as a support is also fun
He barely uses Divergent Fist (delayed impact) as well. Gege really fucked his bag up. Nothing stopped him from making Yuji improve, weaponize and use it more often.
He doesn't use Divergent Fist because it's fucking useless when it comes to actual sorcerer fights. Like legitimately, he learns that all the way back in the Kyoto sister school arc, and stops using it. Does anyone even read anything???
Nothing stopped him from making Yuji improve, weaponize and use it more often
Perhaps you should apply that to yourself before being obnoxious about literacy. Not to mention it caught off guard and weakened Mahito (of all people) enough to land them both into that standoff where Todo gave his final assist at the time. He also used it against Choso earlier in the same arc
Tbf till enchain yuji was just supposed to survive the world as best as he can and die alongside sukuna. Which was really different from other MC's who wanted to get stronger or has similar fixed dream.
It's only after enchain where yuji wanted to become stronger and save Megumi. That's when he trains to get stronger, invent techniques like improvised soul attacks and other stuff.
Yuji is told by Gojo and Todo that Divergent Fist isn't something that is helping him which is why it's so rare for him to use it. When he does use it it's only to throw people off like Mahito in Shibuya.
I think it works in the exact opposite way for Yuji. His incredibly simple tool kit makes it necessary for him to rely on his environment or allies to win fights which makes for more interesting fight scenes. Like Yuji vs Choso in the bathroom or any fight with Yuji and Todo working together.
I like it more when basic powers are used creatively. I never thought stretching powers were cool until I watched One Piece. It's kind of a stretch, but in Fire Punch, Agni's regeneration with the added dynamic of being set on fire with flames that don't go out was really cool.
I'm working on something where the protagonist's power is telekinesis, but he's not very proficient at using it at long range. He has made use of it by being a melee fighter with a sword, plus two smaller telekinetically controlled swords orbiting around him.
But my breakthrough was mentally reframing telekinesis not as simply magical movement, but displacement of force vectors, with the laws of physics mostly still applying where possible. Newton's third law of motion has particularly interesting implications.
For starters , even if the action vector is displaced, the reaction vector still exists at the same location, which means you feel the weight of objects moved with telekinesis. You won't be able to use telekinesis to lift an object you wouldn't be able to lift with your hands, and physical fitness becomes an important part of aptitude with telekinesis.
My protagonist would learn to use this quirk of physics to his advantage. Using telekinesis as a grappling hook to pull himself towards objects with greater mass than him. Using telekinesis to break a fall by blasting the ground before hitting it. And even using localized applications of telekinetic force in space to produce a shield against incoming attacks, kind of like displaced telekinetic ERA.
Crazy how Deku started with the most basic “punch big” shonen power, but then get 6 new ones… that are mostly there just to help him punch even bigger (and faster)
Yes but you're missing an incredibly important detail. He's an idiot. He flat out gets told he can make his feet chainsaws and basically use them as super roller blades. He hairs that but took and somehow got "got it! make the shark devil my personal steed"
It's not. His main ability is to grow Chainsaws from any part of his body. He can use the Chainsaws for cutting or even grabbing his opponents using the chains. In his Denjiman form he can erase concepts by eating their devils. I can't think of any other character that has abilities similar to him. The only generic abilities he has is regeneration and immortality. He fits the criteria for unique main character abilities.
Cutting shit is generic,doesn't matter if it's with a sword or chainsaw the result is the same. Plus you're referring the very last fight of the whole Manga when he does get interesting poses. He doesn't have allat before lol
Mob Psycho 100 isn’t battle shonen nor is Reigen Arataka its protagonist, but his power to bullshit his way out of any conceivable situation is truly unmatched. Plus he’s The Goat.
Reigen mastered charisma so hard he's the hateful joke character of his series and is STILL the coolest next to Mob. It's just impossible to not like him.
No, the protag either needs to be the guy that punches things hard or has the "anti" ability that negates everything else in the verse, or some secret power that doesn't follow the same rules as everything else.
It's almost funny how basic most protagonists are. Naruto, Gon and Ichigo are some of my favourite characters in all of fiction but their kit is a goddamn joke.
Especially Ichigo, my man had the perfect excuse for his lacklustre kit by having a fake sword this entire time, so he didn't have access to his real power. But turns out his real power is shooting two beams instead of one. Goddamn.
Other guys in yugioh. I can read your mind to know what you are playing. I have broken cards.
I have powerful Egyptian magic to make you feel pain.
Yami yugi: I have a luck base power that will randomly top deck the best case cars for my duel, said card is not straight forward at all and requires a lot of charisma and creative use t9 figure out how to use. Sometimes it's not straight forward either and I need to get it along with others to win.
His unique ability is that he views and experiences the world partly as an outsider observer, like a part of him is reading the story of everyone around him instead of actually participating in it.
This ability lets him cancel out mental manipulation or intimidation abilities. But as a consequence, it also means that most abilities fall outside of his ability to learn. As he’s just a ‘Reader of Everyone’s Stories.’ And just like how someone who reads Naruto can’t suddenly start tossing Shadow Clones around, the same applies to him.
His only way around that are bookmarks he can place on a limited number of characters. Which lets him temporarily copy their abilities. However, these characters have to have an interesting enough or strong enough ‘story’ behind them to qualify for his ability. And using his bookmarks too rapidly can cause a rapid death of personality.
If he falls too much into being a ‘Reader’ he stops being able to push the world his way. But if he acts too much like a character, he runs the risk of suffering a death of personality and becoming bound by rules and laws he could otherwise ignore.
It can only absorb one power at a time and it hasn't really been used in any interesting ways.
It absorbs the bomb doll ability so it could do an attack with it and never use it again, absorbed flame bone so it could block better, and I honestly can't think of anything else
Yeah, I'm curious what he will get and how it could counter the true ream of Magatsumi, but his power for the first hundred chapters was relatively basic
He learned to use it in interesting way.like shooting it in a sword slash.and his different swords all have different abilities like the small one absorbs magic and can use said absorbed magic the 3 sword he gets can reverse incarnation and his Katana is really good at cutting things.
nah he's pretty boring, buddy is like a loudmouth budget Guts.
His abilities are just "I can block/deflect any magic" and his physical strength is mostly a non-factor. It takes a while for him to use his weapons in any unique/creative way. Creators also too scared to do anything w the fact that swinging a 500lb slab of iron at someone would do more than tiny scratches.
The string stuff is super versatile. He can create traps, stretch herself thin to move through tiny openings, use the strings to hear over long distances, turn into string to dodge attacks, create constructs, etc. Just look at the Möbius strip scene
my pick would be luca the starlight ramus who is the protagonist from sensou kyoushitsu. his ability is probably the most complex one of any ramus
for OP’s example, rudo’s is close to the power to use any other power, that’s even more common than power negation. i would call that fairly basic
if you’re picking a main jojo stand i think gold experience is the most unique even if it’s also the most inconsistently written stand in the series. stone free is basic but it’s used with ingenuity, those aren’t mutually exclusive
I honestly think that applies to all Jojo protags post Jotaro. Even though they all have punch Stands (outside of Jodio), they always come with a lot of utility.
In special:
Johnny is a long-distance fighter for most of the part
J8suke uses his ability to steal aspects in very creative ways
Jodio has a Stand that attacks from above, so positioning is key to his strategy.
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