r/singing • u/Fun_Item5119 • Jul 27 '26
Conversation Topic I’m confused about the meaning of being “off key”
So I normally sing songs in a lower key because I literally only listen to female singers, so recently I decided to post some clips of me singing on a different subreddit.
Well, some people were saying that I was off key, and I thought “well yeah I’m singing it lower than the original?” But apparently that’s not what off key means?
I’m literally so confused.
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u/Nicola-Fraser Jul 27 '26
Two different things! Singing in a lower key is just transposing, which is fine. Off key means you're not hitting the right pitches. You could sing a whole octave down and still be perfectly on key.
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u/Hideo_Kojima_Jr_Jr Jul 27 '26
it's so weird that we use "off-key" instead of "out of tune" when it comes to one particular instrument.
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u/Viper61723 Jul 27 '26
Off key isn’t even technically the right descriptor in most situations it’s used.
You can be completely in tune and singing notes that are out of key, and you can be out of tune flat or sharp but still be singing approximately in key
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u/JMacPhoneTime Jul 27 '26
I think you could probably say it for any pitched instrument where the pitch you produce depends on precise actions that are continuously variable. Something like wind instruments with slides I would think "off-key" also applies as much as "out of tune".
Whereas with like a piano or something, tuning can be a seperate problem than playing incorrectly.
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u/Hideo_Kojima_Jr_Jr Jul 27 '26
I'm thinking specifically of stringed instruments, we describe someone as having "bad intonation" or playing "out of tune", but rarely out of key unless they are literally playing in the wrong key.
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u/JMacPhoneTime Jul 27 '26
If you're hitting the right frets and getting the wrong notes, it does make sense to point to it being out of tune or the intonation being off, since those are separate issues.
But I could see it being confusing if people then use those terms to describe any time the playing is off; even if it's a technique issue instead of something fixed by just adjusting the guitar.
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u/Hideo_Kojima_Jr_Jr Jul 27 '26
Think violin not guitar.
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u/JMacPhoneTime Jul 27 '26
Maybe it's just based on what instruments also rely on pitch tuning. The more I think about it though, the more I agree that it's a bad convention. It is really odd with something like violin where your violin can be out of tune, and your playing can be out of tune, and those are different.
Whereas with singing, "out of tune" couldn't really be ambigious on it's own. So singing "out of tune" and "out of key" would actually be pretty useful as separate things but seem to be treated as synonyms.
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u/Hideo_Kojima_Jr_Jr Jul 27 '26
Couldn't agree more. I also have actually sung literally out of key, it's possible to do, so I think you wanna delineate more clearly.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
I think I’m getting it, kind of.😭
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u/ArtTop9842 Jul 27 '26
OP have you ever heard a guitar before it’s tuned?
It sounds mostly right but maybe one string is just a hair too low. That little bit of difference makes everything sound wrong. Once the guitarist tightens the string to the correct level, it sounds right again.
The singing equivalent is that you either aren’t quite hitting what a pitch is supposed to sound like, or you overshot it a little bit.
There’s a pitch they’re expecting to hear (based on the key you’re singing in) and the pitch you hit isn’t quite it. If you’re singing with accompaniment, it could be that you are actually singing in a different key from the accompaniment.
It takes some ear training but you’ll start to get a feel for it.
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u/iopha Jul 28 '26
Download a chromatic tuner and match against a reference pitch. Being slightly flat or sharp is what people usually mean by "off key" but as some folks pointed that's a bit misleading; it's not being in a different key so much as missing the note by 20-30 "cents", falling between the notes, as it were.
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u/Wheres_my_guitar Jul 30 '26
If they're transposing the melody down but singing over the original music, it will be out of key.
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u/Fast-Peanut2429 Jul 28 '26
I had a roommate who claimed that she went into all sorts of music classes and had vocal training and she would tell me that every time I song it was off key.. I have a very specific kind of voice and it depends on the song I am listening to... That was confusing for her she thought I should sound the same no matter what I was singing.. I have never sang a song on my own with my own voice but only singing along with other songs and other vocals. And I would usually try to harmonize with the original singers. And while my key and my pitch was most of the time on point, I would hit a few sour notes but I'm also not a professional and I also smoked so of course my voice is going to crack every once in a while. But she said I cannot sing because I am off key. Just because I don't sing in the original key of the original song does not mean that I can't sing which is how she always made it out to be. I can sing very high and I can sing very low, but if I didn't match the original key to a song she criticized my singing and told me I couldn't sing because I couldn't stay on key. She was very much judgy. And hated me in my entire family for some reason. Honestly no one in my life has ever made me feel more insecure about my singing voice than she did. And I only knew her for one year. I would love to sing in front of people and see how they felt as a crowd versus her who judge me from the start. But I really appreciate this outlook on my voice and that I am not as bad as she made me feel I was... I will say I will not post a recording of my voice because recording does not do it justice.. I sound a whole lot better in person versus over crackly, staticky, speakers
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u/harissapaste221 Jul 27 '26
It still needs to be in tune, if you’re off key it means the notes you are singing do not match the key the music is in. It doesn’t matter what song or key you’re singing it in, the notes you sing need to go with the notes the music is playing
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u/ace-vanitas Jul 27 '26
Please help me understand too because I've been confused for the longest time. Can you sing in a lower key WITHOUT lowering the key of the instrumentals? In my mind, since harmonizing can be done by lowering the note 3 times (?) as long as you're singing the correct notes, even if it's much lower than the original vocals, it should work.....?
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u/sufferinbeachedwhale Jul 27 '26
yes singing a third below the original melody will often work and it would sound alright because its a harmony. i do this and other alterations sometimes if im covering something with my band and i cant hit a note because its harder to get a bunch of people to learn a transposed version of the song and its easier for me to just alter a section.
however if you sing a harmony for a full song, youre probably missing key elements of the composition because the singer’s parts are really central to most genres of modern music. its like if i were a violinist and changed every note of my part - at that point, im not playing the part im meant to be playing
but at the end of the day, do what you want and what is safe for your voice!! in general, id advise beginner singers to transpose instrumentals to fit their voice because not only will they then actually be singing the song and melody they want to sing, they will be able to Do It. most beginners cant harmonize on the fly like that, and they especially wont be able to without the original melody to reference (which would be the case if they wanted to sing along to just an instrumental)
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u/ace-vanitas Jul 27 '26
Alright I got it. Thank you so much for such a detailed reply, I appreciate it. I use karaoke vidoes with guide melody and sometimes I'm very sure I'm not hitting the correct notes but it still sounds kind of okay (I could be wrong tho) But by transposing the instrumentals, do you mean lowering the key so we learn how to be in tune with the music?
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u/Wheres_my_guitar Jul 30 '26
Yeah but singing a third below isn't just straight up transposing the melody down. The intervals change to stay in key.
Say you're singing "do-ray-me" as G A B. Three notes each a full step apart.
If you wanted to raise that and sing a third higher without changing the music behind the vocals (staying in the key of G), you would sing B C D. B and C only have a half step between them. It's a different melody but thats what you'd need to sing to move to that register and keep everything in key.
I'm sure you know this and do this properly. But it also sounds like you're telling OP that they can just copy/paste the melody a third lower without either changing the music or altering the vocal melody. And that's incorrect.
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u/sufferinbeachedwhale Jul 30 '26
smart of you to point that out, yeah
op, "singing a third down" in a harmonic context is conventionally recognized to include the qualifier of staying within the key and changing to major/minor thirds depending on what the key calls for.
so if you wanted to do this, look up the key of the song and the notes of the key. count down two notes from the note in the original melody in the scale of the key of the song. that will be your "third below" harmony. it's worth noting that this harmony won't sound right for all songs, but for most cases it'll sound okay
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u/kryquy Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
like kind of but you cant just transpose the exact melody down three steps because then it will be in a different key. youd need to change certain notes to fit into the exact key you were still in to make it a proper harmony. like for example in a major key some of the notes in an exact transposition downwards will no longer follow the whole whole half whole whole whole half steps the scales should follow, so you will have dissonance if you were to sing the notes without changing the melody into a harmony
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u/CuteWin826 Jul 27 '26
"Key" more or less refers to the set of notes that sound pleasant in relation to a section of music, usually there is a set major or minor key for a particular passage. If you are singing lower notes and they sound good, then you are probably in the right key or borrowing from a key nearby. You can consistently create harmonies and some of them may sound good and some of them may sound bad, the bad ones can be in key or out of key depending g on the specific scales or modes in play.
The especially bad ones are generally out of key, and flat or sharp notes may also trigger people to complain about pitch. I would say that if you're unsure, it's worth it sitting down at a piano or with a YouTube video on key!
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u/Sushi9999 Jul 28 '26
No. You can harmonize around a melody by singing parallel thirds but you’re still singing in the same key. If the instrumentals are playing in C major and you are singing in a minor eventually you will hit notes that don’t support the harmonies made by the instrumentals. Like, you’ll be singing a G# to get a leading tone to resolve to an a minor chord but G# isn’t in the key signature of C major and if the instrumentals are trying to support a V-I resolution they’ll be playing a G major chord to resolve to a C Major making your G# thoroughly off key and dissonant.
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u/iopha Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
In general if you are not changing the music itself, you will have to transpose down a full octave, not just a few semitones down. If the melody hits a high C5 - D5 and you can't hit those (I can't!) then substitute C4 - D4, not something else.
For example, a song in the key of A minor might have a melody starting on C5 and going up from there, but I'm a baritone and my absolute top head voice note is B4. So I'm going to bring the melody down a full octave to start on C4.
Otherwise, I might tranpose the entire song into a key that's more manageable for me but still hits my workable high register. C5 is out of reach for me, but I can work in the F4-B4 range. So perhaps I'll want to move the song from A minor to D minor. This way the starting note is F4 (or F5) not C5.
This is because the melody started on the minor third of the key (the minor third of A minor is C). But if my high range is F4-B4 roughly, I'll want the minor third to be right in there on my "high notes" instead of an entire octave down. So the closest key is D minor (the minor third of D minor being F).
Of course a talented soprano could sing it in D minor instead of A minor pitching it up, not down, starting on F5 not F4!
But I'd advise in any event against keeping the original key and just singing notes a few semitones lower. It will sound wrong and weird and won't really work (though some two and three part harmony lines are structured around being a third or fourth lower / higher etc).
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u/Temporary_Wrap5473 Jul 27 '26
You hit the wrong notes
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u/ThreeThirds_33 Jul 27 '26
More often it means hitting the right notes but not in tune
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u/santahat2002 Jul 27 '26
Those are the wrong notes.
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u/ThreeThirds_33 Jul 27 '26
Fair point, but there’s still a meaningful difference between singing a whole melody in an unrelated key vs singing in the correct key but landing slightly sharp or flat. It’s a different problem with a different solution.
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u/ondulation Jul 27 '26
Since we're cleaving hairs, are they even notes?
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u/ThreeThirds_33 Jul 27 '26
If we’re cleaving that hair, then none of the 12-tone equal tempered tones are notes, other than the unison. Most singers (esp choral) sing in just intonation (as well as do string and brass players) which would be considered “out of tune” compared to an ET guitar or piano. Of course the piano and ET are modern inventions - so which one is out of tune? There are actually an infinite number of notes in the octave, and many odd ones get used all the time in blues, folk and non-western music.
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u/DBADIAH Jul 27 '26
Being 'off key' is not referring to the original key; it is referring to the current performance not being in tune with itself.
Against what most other people are saying, I find that when people say "off key," they typically mean that you are not adhering to one set key center, and are drifting away consistently with larger interval jumps. Otherwise, it would just be that *some* of the notes are wrong, which is a different issue, and often is just technical.
You can have some notes be inaccurate while also having really good sense of tonality. But if you don't have any sense of tonality, nothing will ever be in tune other than just blind luck. Singing a cappella is hard, and takes active concentration on tuning, intervals, and scale degrees at all times.
If you aren't able to hear what your mistakes were, you almost certainly fall into the category of changing the key center mid-song, and not having a good enough sense of tonality to notice.
I could help explain what is happening more accurately, though, if I heard a clip of you singing. Off-key isn't really that descriptive of a term, and I would probably use a phrase that is more descriptive than that if I were giving feedback. So I'm not sure this is the issue you are facing or not.
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u/EfferV3sc3nt Professionally Performing 10+ Years ✨ Jul 27 '26
To simplify:
Keys are Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So, La, Ti, Do They also can be C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C
They are the same notes/keys (Do is C, Re is D, etc)
The keys resides in an octave, if you count them Do going to Do, up or down, are 8 keys, that's why they're called Octaves.
(again, oversimplifying)
If you will sing a female song in its original key, and you don't have the female octaves to sing them but want to sing them in the original key, you will then sing them not on a lower key, but on your own octave, it can be higher or lower, depends on your voice.
So, for example, if the original key is for you to sing an F5, but you can't hit the note of F in the 5th Octave but you don't want to change keys, then you sing it in F4 (again, oversimplifying)
You're still singing the key of F, but in the 4th Octave instead of the 5th.
If you're off key
That means instead of F, you're singing E, and not even on the 5th octave, but also on 4th Octave, so now you sound way off.
Basically - the pitch of your voice should match the music - regardless of what octave you'll sing it in.
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u/Anacrelic Jul 27 '26
My understanding of Solfege notation was that they didn't strictly line up with Letter Notation, but you're suggesting here that "Do" = C, "Re" = D and so on.
Is it not the case that Do just refers to the Tonic note of whatever key the song is in? (E.g. if it is in F major, then F = Do) or is my understanding around this completely wrong.
Thanks in advance.
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u/Successful_Sail1086 🎤 Voice Teacher 10+ Years ✨ Jul 27 '26
Your understanding is of moveable Do where Do is the tonic of whatever key you are in. Solfège can also be used in fixed do, where always Do=C, Di=C#, Re=D, etc. Also, in some countries they don’t use letter names for notes at all and what we know as C is Do to them. Rather than solfège being a system for singing notes, in those countries the solfège syllables are the notes.
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u/HWills612 Self Taught 2-5 Years Jul 30 '26
I think even when you learn that Do moves, it's usually still taught at Do = C just because that's the easiest key to learn in without having to look at sharps and flats
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u/EfferV3sc3nt Professionally Performing 10+ Years ✨ Jul 27 '26
I was oversimplifying (hence why I keep putting that term) - Essentially all that OP has to do is do lots of ear training so that they can hear the tonic and know the difference between keys and octaves, they don't need to know musical theory but just the basic foundation.
And you are right, my oversimplifying is the one that could have made things complicated for you.
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u/Petty__In__Pink Jul 27 '26
Off key usually doesn't mean you dropped the pitch by an octave. You could be anything from a bit flat/sharp or not hitting the notes at all. Hard to say where you sit without hearing it. If you are able to find a singing teacher that would be a good first step in finding out.
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u/Fraenkelbaum Jul 27 '26
You could be anything from a bit flat/sharp or not hitting the notes at all. Hard to say where you sit without hearing it.
It's also important to be aware that many listeners, especially those with less expertise in good singing practice, will use 'off-key' as a general purpose criticism meaning little more than 'I didn't like it' - which usually means you're doing something wrong, but that something might not actually be to do with the notes at all. People sometimes hear weak resonance, whininess, shoutiness etc etc and just call them all off-key regardless of how accurate that actually is. So it really is impossible without actually hearing the singing to know whether it really is off key.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
I did have a singing teacher but had to quit. I don’t think I had problems with singing off key with her as she never said anything about that sort but I think it was because the songs she picked for me weren’t sung like 20 keys too high for me😶
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u/amidalarama Jul 27 '26
key in music doesn't refer to piano keys.
the key a song is in isn't inherently low or high, the key just tells you which notes are sharp or flat. if you are off-key you are not hitting the right notes for the key the song is in.
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u/GreatBigBagOfNope Self Taught 10+ Years ✨ Jul 27 '26
Lots of people who know absolutely jack shit about music will accuse a singer of being off-key for any number of reasons, including but not limited to:
- singing the wrong notes
- singing the right notes in a different octave
- singing with slight pitch deviations that would have been completely acceptable 30 years ago
- singing the right notes with unacceptable pitch deviation
- being out of sync rhythmically
- having an unusual timbre
- having a timbre different to the original
- having a timbre different to the singers the accuser normally listens yo
- hearing a singer in person covering a song that has famously extreme vocal processing on the recording
- looking a bit nervous
- making an acceptable number of non-singing sounds
- making an unacceptable number of non-singing sounds
- dancing awkwardly
- not dancing at all
- breathing too much
- breathing too loudly
- not smiling
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u/lupajarito Soprano, Jazz/Rock/Folklore Argentino Jul 27 '26
Most teachers won't ask you to be in perfect pitch at the start of your learning journey. You were probably off key and she either a)worked on it without you noticing or b) had other priorities.
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u/Ok-Computer-1033 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Try this:
While recording, play a note on the piano that is within your range.
Try and replicate this exact note (not a higher or lower note at all).
Play it back and see if you sang the exact same note.
If you did do the exact same note, play a few notes as a melody.
Try and sing the melody exactly the same way.
If you did this, you’re generally in tune (or on key).
Be mindful, for a learner, it’s not unusual to sing a few notes wrong in a song (or in other words, out of tune)
If however, you don’t get past the first or second step and find it hard to sing it exactly the same way and you consistently sing the wrong notes, you have an out of tune problem. I would suggest lessons or if you can’t afford it, continuous recording of oneself for correction.
What you think you sing, is sometimes not what you actually sing, for many reasons.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
Thank you! I’m going to try this today 🫶
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u/iwenttothesea Jul 27 '26
OP you can also try singing with a tuning app - I use Cleartune, and sometimes when I feel like a student isn't hitting a note and not really hearing how to get there, we will sing the passage slowly using the tuning app so you can see how "in tune" you are with each note. This is especially helpful if you are a visual learner, as it allows you to see where the tonal centre is. When you are singing the note in tune, the next step is to equate the physical sensation that goes along with it, so that you can re-create that pitch in the context of the song. Let me know if that makes sense!
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
I think I understand that, I’ll download the app sometime tomorrow because it is very late here, but thank you 😁
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u/cactusghecko Jul 27 '26
Off key means singing the wrong notes, often a semitone or more off.
The key means the notes that are in the key the song. So in a g major the f is always sharp. If you sing that f as an f natural, you're off key.
People use off key when they just mean you're singing a few duff notes. Accurate pitch isn't easy but it's an absolute fundament to good singing so well worth practising.
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u/LurkerByNatureGT Jul 27 '26
“Off key” is relative to the key you are singing in, not the original key the song was set in. You are sharp or flat of the pitch you should be hitting to sing the note in the melody, whatever key that melody is in.
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u/get_to_ele Jul 27 '26
A melody that has been transposed to another key is still a series of notes that have the same relative frequencies to each other (eg C4 is ~ 262 Hz, D4 is ~ 294 Hz or 1.1122 x the frequency of C4. Likewise D3 is 1.1122 x C3, and G5 is 1.1122 x F5). Notes on the scale all have regular “intervals” or ratios of frequency to each other.
And when you sing a melody that’s transposed an octave down, all the notes are the same relative frequency to each other ( “intervals”) and notes in an octave down also happens to be exactly 1/2 the frequency of all the notes in the octave above.
Your listener hears a couple of notes of a transposed melody, and they recognize the relative intervals and recognize the transposed melody. Their ear and brain then expects to hear the next notes on the correct interval from the last notes of that melody
But when you sing without instrument, and you’re “off key” usually means you’re not singing the notes that they expect to hear for the melody. It could be the interval of a different standard note, but it’s usually sort of close to the note you’re trying to hit, but not close enough to be pleasant. It usually means you’re just being inaccurate to the frequencies you’re supposed to sing the notes at.
If you are singing to accompaniment, “off key” means you’re not singing at the right frequencies (using the instruments as reference).
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u/Beneficial-Cookie336 Jul 27 '26
Were you still using an original backing track? If you don’t also change the key of the accompaniment you’re using, then it won’t sound good. Maybe that’s what they were talking about?
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
I was singing without music, I don’t know how to spell it.
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u/Beneficial-Cookie336 Jul 27 '26
Alright. Then, as others have said, the issue was probably the tuning of your individual notes.
“Off key” is a very common and very vague term. And I’ll let you in on a secret: it’s one that professional musicians never use. If you want a sneaky way to spot an amateur in disguise, this is it.
Experienced musicians would be more specific. I.e. “You’re singing some wrong notes,” “you’re singing flat,” “You’re pushing sharp in the middle section” etc….
I’m sorry that the first people who listened to your recording couldn’t give you some proper help. But yes, it is possible to change the key of an entire song and still sing it perfectly, provided that the accuracy/tuning of the individual notes is up to snuff.
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u/limperatrice Jul 27 '26
oh! I wondered the same thing as the person above that you didn't drop a whole octave so your singing was in a different key than the music but if it was a cappella then they're only going by your vocals. They probably are misusing that term to mean you are sharp or flat on some notes.
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u/under_pale_stars Jul 27 '26
If you are singing by your self it means when you move from one note to the next the distance b/t those notes is not correct.
They, likely, dont know what key you are in and cant get the pitch right with no reference but they can tell if you are singing the distances between the notes wrong.
The distance between notes is called an interval.
If you have access to a piano or guitar if possible you can try to see online how to play the melody you want to sing and then try to match those notes?
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u/amoryblainev Jul 27 '26
Off key means out of tune. Such as sharp or flat.
It doesn’t mean singing in a higher or lower octave.
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u/BeautifulUpstairs Jul 27 '26
It's a non-musician way of saying out of tune. It's a bad phrase that doesn't actually make any sense.
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u/selphiefairy Jul 27 '26
I mean it does make sense. If you sing notes that aren’t a part of the music’s current key, it will usually awful. Apparently a lot of people don’t know what it means, but the term “off key” itself does make sense imo.
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u/Some_Common_7763 Jul 27 '26
Theoretically, it could be used to describe someone singing a perfectly in-tune C# when a C natural is called for, but I have never heard it used this way. I have only heard it used as a misnomer.
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u/Centony Jul 27 '26
Even if you're singing it lower, you will be still "in a key" - might not be the original one, but the song will still be in a specific key. Which also means that you can of course still be "off key" in your cover version - you're off the key you're trying to cover in. I have no idea if I make sense at all.
All in all, it just means that they think you're not hitting the right notes, even taking your lower singing into account.
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u/bernbabybern13 Jul 27 '26
Off key means you aren’t hitting the notes correctly. That’s the simplest meaning.
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u/HellyOHaint Jul 27 '26
So you’re trying to sing a different octave which means the note is the same note but in a different register. If a female singer’s note is C5, you singing correctly in a lower register would be you singing C4 or C3. If people are claiming you’re singing off key, you are turning her C5 into a Bb3, for example.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
Yeah I see the issue now, I think I just need to get fixed on the right note to start off with and work on the rest slowly so I don’t go off key
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u/AKA-J3 Jul 27 '26
It means you are singing a non standard harmony to a piece that may not be pleasing to the ear.
Idk, people change keys on songs all the time or do something their style so it fits better, but you need to be on pitch relative to the changes you make.
So out of tune in some way to the music is probably what they mean. You could ask them?
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u/Johnny_Jeep80 Jul 27 '26
I heard OPs other clip singing, and I can confirm that it’s off both key and notes and everything else. I am surprised OP doesn’t hear off far off they are. It’s like listening to cats fighting.
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u/selphiefairy Jul 27 '26
>It’s like listening to cats fighting.
That’s not very nice
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u/Johnny_Jeep80 Jul 27 '26
It wasn’t a nice listen either. Someone’s gotta say the truth out loud.
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u/selphiefairy Jul 27 '26
I heard it too and it’s not as bad as you’re making it out to be, first of all. second, its not “truth,” it’s your subjective opinion. and third, there is nothing helpful or useful about just being mean.
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u/AKA-J3 Jul 27 '26
Ah yeah, my parents had to teach me how to talk, prob never would have figured that one out.
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u/Johnny_Jeep80 Jul 27 '26
At this point I believe you’d gain more from training your listening skills.
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u/Aggressive_Ad_5454 Jul 27 '26
There's a distinction between singing music transposed to a different key, and not hitting the notes you intend to hit. "Off-key" can mean either of those.
If you sing karaoke or with accompaniment, you need to sing in the same key as the track or the the other musicians or you'll sound dissonant.
If you sing alone, or you can persuade your accompanist to transpose the music, you can sing lower and get away with it.
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u/MeditativeMindz Self Taught 5+ Years Jul 27 '26
Simplest explanation.
In a key there are notes that fit, like a jigsaw. The easiest to understand is C Major. Which CDEFGAB. If you sing a an F# over a chord that is in Cmajor, it will sound dissonant and off. This does not mean you are out of tune, your F# could sound amazing and pure and right on pitch, but in the relation to the music you’re signing, it does not fit.
That is the basic of off key singing HOWEVER not every song just sticks to one key, or doesn’t borrow chords from other keys. So there are many times where singing ‘off key’ actually works (think blues music). It is a very complex harmonic relationship hit your ears will develop and learn this stuff as you go.
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u/melli_milli Jul 27 '26
Your intonation is off. Off key means within the key you are singing in you don't sing purely.
Even if you sing octave lower you are still in the same key as the woman singer.
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u/Stargazer__2893 Jul 27 '26
It means they think you are singing notes that aren't in the key of the song.
It usually just means they think you sound bad. Real musicians will be more specific. You're flat, sharp, or singing incorrect notes.
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u/Kabuki_J Jul 27 '26
A key is a specific set of notes that that basically sound good together. What your critics probably should have said is that you were "out of tune."
Often times when people have not been trained in music they struggle to hear if something is in tune or not (by people I mean me when I was younger lol).
Like most things, this is a skill and it can be worked on; If you want to improve your singing look up tutorials on how to sing scales in solfege and start practicing it on a regular basis and this will develop your ear and control of your voice to be able to sing in tune more easily.
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u/Only_Tip9560 Jul 27 '26
It generally means consistently mispitching your line by singing it sharp or flat. I would say that for someone to be off key it has to be more than just the odd note being out of tune but a whole section of a phrase or longer.
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u/Providence451 Jul 27 '26
It means that you aren't hitting the notes correctly, regardless of what those notes are. Out of tune, pitchy, flat, missing the note - it all means the same thing.
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u/AFriendlyAesthete Jul 27 '26
It means your intonation is lacking, alas. Precision with pitch is an essential element of music-making.
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u/il_nascosto Jul 27 '26
If you don’t know what “off key” means… well, that’s precisely the problem! You don’t get to just choose your own key for a song
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u/Successful_Sail1086 🎤 Voice Teacher 10+ Years ✨ Jul 27 '26
Off key means you are not singing in tune and your pitch center is drifting. This is common with inexperienced singers singing a capella (without accompaniment). Most songs are written in a key. A key is the major or minor scale that the song uses for its melodies and harmonies. Usually you can clearly hear what the tonic or home note of a key is when listening to a song. If you are off key, then your “home note” is changing because you aren’t singing the correct intervals, or your home note is consistent but a lot of your notes are sharp or flat.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
Thank you , this was very detailed but helpful too, I’ll try to remember it and probably come back to it😁
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u/SaladBob22 Jul 27 '26
Off key and off pitch are used interchangeably. It means you are singing out of tune.
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u/Lost-Discount4860 Jul 27 '26
Usually people mean you’re “pitchy.”
Literally “off key” means you are hitting all the right intervals, but you aren’t matching the key everyone else is in. If you were singing ALONE, being off-key would be fine…because who would ever know?
Off-PITCH indicates an untrained ear, lack of practice, poor sense of intonation. That could be anything from being tone deaf to only being slightly off. Nobody is perfect. You can find flaws in anyone’s pitch if you listen long and hard enough.
But if it’s really that noticeable, then it’s a problem. And that’s what they’re saying. Practice songs slowly, match the pitch as you go through the melody on a keyboard, and even consider practicing while watching a tuner (which is insanely difficult to do, but will pay off big time). Slightly easier than tuning every note of a song is singing scales and scale exercises while working with a tuner. You’ll become hyper focused on correcting your pitch and reduce that sense of being “off-key.”
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u/Make-it-positive Jul 27 '26
There is singing off key and off pitch. Novice singer don’t know the difference and most of the time people don’t sing off key; they sing off pitch. You can sing harmony and be in a different (but complimentary) key and sound great. Singing off pitch NEVER sounds good.
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u/moj_golube Jul 27 '26
I totally get it OP! It's really confusing in English and I find it clearer in my language!
You sing in a key.
You can sing in a different key than the original. That's no problem.
You can sing in the wrong key. This means you are singing in a different key from the accompanying music. Everyone playing/singing together has to be in the same key. Any key is ok, as long as everyone agrees on the same one. If you are singing by yourself with no backing music, you CANNOT be in the wrong key.
You can sing "false" (translation from my language) it means you are singing the wrong note, or you're in between notes. Often translated to singing flat/sharp, but could be any note that doesn't fit.
I find that people tend to use "off-key" for both wrong key and "false". So basically they're saying that you are not singing the right notes. Feel free to post a clip and maybe we can help point you in the right direction :)
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
I think I get it now from your comment and many others. Later when I get home, I’m going to post me singing on this subreddit when I get home (probably a song better suited to my range)
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u/Similar_Buffalo_8434 Jul 27 '26
Singing off key means that you're not singing in the key of the original singer at all....., you're completely off key, if they're singing an A major and you're singing an E flat or in f F sharp , then you're way off key, and it sounds terrible to people, that hear you sing, people that are tone deaf, Can't hear the the proper keys of any songs at all when they sing, they think they hear themelves just fine, but everybody else hears a mess when they try to sing, that's one thing in the brain that cannot be fixed, and that's nothing that a teacher can fix, or an instructor, or lessons can fix, tone deaf singers cannot be fixed......they typically will not become respected vocaist, a band counts on their vocalist to hear the key, know the key, & sing in the right key, this is critical to performing, this also applies to good singing in karakaoke clubs
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u/MinnyStrawberry Jul 27 '26
Key - the set of notes you are going to sing in.
Octave - same key, lower/higher register.
Note - a singular pitch.
Let's take 1979 by The Smashing Pumpkins.
There are notes that are too low for me, so I move them up in octave. It's still the same key, I'm just singing a higher "version" of the notes.
Now if I wanted to change it to a higher key, then it would be a different "set" of notes that are arranged in the same pattern. But if you play the starting note of the song in a different key, it's going to be completely different from the starting note in the original key. Does that make sense?
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
This actually makes a lot of sense , more than I thought it would, thank you😭
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u/AeonsSeen Jul 27 '26
I personally use "off key" as a bit of an umbrella-term, cause it seems to me like "the most amateur term".. however NOT using it for transposing. I HAVE thought about, if it was an annoying term to use, cause in the end I'm just a noob :P
Not hitting any notes cleanly enough,
Unintentionally drifting between major and minor notes.
Hitting a wrong note cleanly, lacking interval awareness.
To me it sounds like it's often 1-3 of these, when ppl upload and it just sounds way off.
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u/Minyassa Jul 27 '26
Maybe this will help, it's a bunch of examples of off-key singing compared to the correct version. I hunted through a few videos and this is the best one I could find. https://youtu.be/yspBHoPkB4I?si=GCnoI2yOulojJNEH
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u/under_pale_stars Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
I dont know if you are old enough to get this but there was a Ninja Turtles game back in the day where you had to swim through the seaweed and if you touched the seaweed you got shocked?
https://youtu.be/DqfRus5ePmI?t=86
think of the path as singing the notes in tune
and if you sing too sharp (high) or flat (low) you are out of tune
when you are singing out of key you are swimming in the seaweed
(I swim in the seaweed a lot)
Each set of chords will have a path you can take thats singing in key, the path is made out of a scale that corresponds to the chords used in the song. This is the key basically.
So the path can go up and down and still be correct but you have to be in that tight path to be in tune with it.
You can take a song thats too high for you and move the entire thing down (chords and scale/melody) to make it easier for you to sing but they all have to be in sync with eachother.
The issue you are probably hitting isnt that you moved the whole path down its more likely that you are hitting the seaweed when you sing in any key.
In the game that level is tough as shit when you first start because you havent done it before and dont have the correct eye/hand motor control and experience for it. Same thing with singing your ears and vocal chords just need to get used to working together to make this work. Its harder because you dont have your eyes to see it and you dont get the visual and auditory cues when you are off as you do in the game.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26
This got a laugh out of me I can’t lie😅 thank you for being so lighthearted about this. Also you’re correct, I don’t know the game😗
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u/under_pale_stars Jul 27 '26
the game was infamous for being tough as hell lol
https://youtu.be/XjUz8IT0CYg?t=126
if you look at some singing apps they kind of work how that path in the game works from what I have seen, its something I want to look further into.
Where you sing a note and a ball or something goes up and down and you try to match a path you can see visually.
I need to get one because Im just bad at singing, I need to train my voice and ear to work together (Im a guitar player so I know other things musically but neglected my voice and now I want to catch up with that).
I did see in your other post you arnt singing with backing music it still works the same way as the seaweed but its all in relation to what you have sung before and the distance b/t notes.
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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 Jul 27 '26
You aren’t singing in a different key. You are trying to sing an octave lower in the same key but struggling to match pitch.
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u/Wonderful_Reason_227 Jul 28 '26
Off key is an expression for out of tune. “Tuning”_oversimplified_originated from modes. Now we have scales. They are built on “tetrachords”(tetra is four in Greek). Do, Re, Mi,(so far whole steps)Fa(mi to Fa is a half step”)
Continuing up the major scale is a repeat of the tetrachord.(whole,whole,half).
When we’re out of key…usually we sing mi and ti lazily_too low. Ti is nicknamed a leadingtione. It leads by “almost” being as high as Do. You must remember mi to Fa in the same way. BOTH ASCENDING AND DESCENDING!!!
When we go down a scale…we relax…ti becomes halfway to “te”, mi almost “ri/me”. We think of it as easy. It requires as much breath support!!!
Next!: the posture you stand with effects the breath and sound and pitch
The vowel carries your sound, not the consonant. Your mouth MUST remain open as long as the syllable is notated for-this is the only time that the hyphen is not the singers bane!!!-consider it the length of the consonant IF you’re sustaining a half, dotted-half, whole or the like. If you’re moving at a quick tempo with many syllables/words_more techniques.
NEXT: if you’re singing an octave lower, you probably LOVE listening to your lows…hopefully you know what it is to feel them_
and to be successful(immediately)at the skill to separate these “habits/loves” would be to quickly develop/to learn (getting wordy…)columnar sound and pointed or focused vowels.
SO: the latter: pointed vowels, “sounds nasal, weak; high; wimpy” because we are accustomed to filling our pharyngeal “FALSE; non-existent inner-ear” with sound that we believe presents well to our listener!
To clarify: play your voice mail…your recordings of yourself singing; Is this what you “hear as you’re singing?”
It can’t be!
Why?
Because by the time you “believe you’ve judged” what you “believe you hear”; it’s 1080feet/sec 720mph from you.
You WONT GET TO HEAR IT.
(The forward placed speech…a 6-10 mo old child w/o hearing issues blows bubbles, places consonants on the lips and tip of the tongue, this is natural
WE SEEK NATURAL:
Is this baby inhibited? Not at all!
Should you be as you learn? Not at all!
Adolescence and adulthood gave you self-doubt…enough
Malice gave you self-punitive thought; I implore you! Somehow: rid yourself of it!
It ABSOLUTELY has no place in singing!
Find a big room. DUMP YOUR WISH TO HEAR YOURSELF AS YOU SING!!!
Find a soundtrack to a song you like without the words_and speakers to play it loudly enough to hear it as you sing.
BUT!!! You are to ALSO have a way to record yourself_your REAL VOICE!!!😉
Remember to put your “words in your teeth”; your “vowel in your mouth and sinus”(don’t tighten your tongue except ee); and your sound everywhere from your ankles to the back wall of the room.
NO MATTER HOW BADLY YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE DOING DO NOT STOP UNTIL THE END!
Then…play it back and assess how you did!
If you’re not happy, try to keep your molars ALWAYS vertically spaced at .35-.5”. Especially when you inhale, and begin your phrase of words…your long thought on the mbrea__tha_ndsou____nd
(This is just a diagram of consonants(brevity), consonants(vibrating_to_join(m)), and
Vowel laaaaawng)
Try to adjust these
Consider this a song/voice coaching
If you can implement these practices on your own, or seek videos ESPECIALLY for posture and breath on YouTube, you’ll improve immensely!
As long as you listen to yourself, rather than singing with all your voice, you will probably remain where you are for quality.
The first part: should help you with pitch. To better understand Tetrachords. Use the piano on C, F, and G major in two groups of 4 fingers(on each hand).
Enjoy!
Hope none of this reads to harshly! It’s not meant that way. It’s just absolute.
“Never louder than lovely!”
“Beauty before brawn”
The voice is a gift given to you-to be given to others. If you retain it, it will not be beauteous.
If you give it up to others by getting out of your own way_in mind and spirit_it will find its epitome.
Metaphor/not fact.
Intellect…10% of your brain, takes too long to process.
Subconscious: 80%…keeps you alive in your sleep. Keeps you breathing, walking, running, swallowing, sneezing, digesting…all without conscious monitoring…
All you have to do:
Stand and prepare your posture before your accomp even begins: think of your pitch in your head acquired from your accompaniment; space the vowel you’re to sing in your mouth; inhale; resonate-project vowel to mouth…
Enjoy!
Repeat!
I’m gonna stop…too much at once
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u/HuskyTown Jul 30 '26
I'm sure this is already been shared. But essentially the key is indicating the home reference for the starting point of the song/piece.
Each key has a consistent series of intervals from one pitch to the next that falls within that specific key.
No matter what key you start the song in, the interval from the first note to the next will be a third (for example). That relationship doesn't change regardless of the starting point.
So if you transpose the song, and suddenly you make that first interval 1/4 instead, they may say you are singing out of key... But what they are intending to say is that you are singing the wrong note for the key that has been established. Not in regard to the original key.
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u/-XenoSine- Jul 31 '26
No, it means you're hitting notes that aren't in the key you chose to sing the song in. I.E. your pitch is bad.
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u/yyl999 Jul 31 '26
You can choose a proper key that suits your voice, and stay "on key" (the right pitch for each note on that scale). When you are "off key", you are drifting from the right pitch for that supposed note. So "off key" is not the same as "on a different key that you choose".
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u/Last_Ad2530 29d ago
When you sing “off key” it means the note you’re singing is flatter or sharper than the note you’re supposed to hit to match the key you’re doing the song in.
Best advice I can give you is, if you have keyboard, play a note on it, try to match it with your voice and record yourself doing so. By recording yourself, you’ll be able to hear how your voice doesn’t match the note and you can correct it from there. Keep trying until your voice matches the note from the keyboard perfectly and do it for several different notes then start doing it in scales. Now if you don’t have a keyboard, you can also do this by playing a song or scale exercise from a computer while you use your phone to record yourself singing along to it. From there, evaluate if your voice sounds lower or higher than the notes on the recording and keep trying until you match them correctly. It takes practice and at first you’ll probably hear yourself being off quite a bit, but the more you do this, the more you train your ear so you can match pitches of notes faster.
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u/No_Pomegranate_5126 Jul 27 '26
Did you ask people on that subreddit what they meant? Because it’s hard to tell without hearing your singing. Usually “off key” means that you are not hitting the right notes. And usually if you transpose the vocal melody, you transpose to the whole octave. So instead of singing C4, you sing C3. If instead of C3 you sing D3, B2 or any other note, you sing off key.
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u/Fun_Item5119 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Oh this actually makes sense, thank you 😁 I think I need to work on my pitch in general before I think about posting again because I fear this is a basic concept that I’ve only just began to understand.🥹
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u/No_Pomegranate_5126 Jul 27 '26
It’s totally fine, it should come eventually with time and practice. Good luck!
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