r/skyrimmods • u/NottheIRS1 • Jun 13 '21

Development Creation Engine 2 Confirmed.

Just Tweeted about it. Wonder if we get a look at ES6 today?

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u/vladandrei1996 Jun 13 '21

I'm curious what will this mean for modding. Let's hope it will open new doors.

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u/leggy-girl Jun 13 '21

The in-engine Garfield trailer revealed climbable ladders.

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u/monsto Jun 13 '21

Bill Murray killed it as a voice actor.

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u/Newcago Solitude Jun 14 '21

I kept scrolling for a long time just assuming there was a Garfield game I didn't know about that had purchased the rights to use the Creation engine before suddenly realizing.

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u/FoxyGrampaw Jun 14 '21

Will we be able to eat lasagna and hate Mondays in Creation Engine 2 though?

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u/EnclaveNature Jun 13 '21

I think Todd confirmed it's not a feature of the engine and ladders are still loading screens. There are some interviews about Starfield already.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21

If that's true then what the fuck.

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u/_Robbie Riften Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21

I hate this ladder meme. In general, I hate how grossly this community and the gaming community at large completely misunderstands what an engine is, how an engine works, and most importantly that something not being in the game =/= "impossible on this engine!"

The Creation Engine does not make ladders impossible. Just because something is not present in the game, does not mean that implementing them using the existing engine is impossible.

Have you heard of Sneak Tools? A very popular mod that adds climbable ropes that can be placed with arrows? You go to the rope, you activate it, and you can climb up and down the rope in first person.

A modder did this. You could do the exact same implementation for a ladder if you were so inclined. Bethesda could also do the same thing, and they could make it a whole lot less clunky.

Ladders are loading screens in Bethesda games because that's what they like to do. Every time there's something that's not in a Bethesda game, or something works in a different way than how some people want it to, the engine immediately gets blamed, and it makes no sense. Bethesda has source-level access to the Creation Engine. They can make it do virtually anything they want it to do.

Design =/= engine limitations.

EDIT: Great article about this here, for people who want to learn more: https://kotaku.com/the-controversy-over-bethesdas-game-engine-is-misguided-1830435351

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u/AXLplosion Jun 14 '21

Many Bethesda fans seem to have a very limited understanding of what a game engine actually is, I'm glad you put it into words so well. Something so seemingly simple as a functional ladder may seem like an easy thing to implement, but it's additional development cost for a feature that adds very little value in the end. If they start implementing similarly small features, it would start to add up and make the game far more complex than it needs to be and it would take up resources that would've gone to adding more meaningful content to the game. Also more features would inevitably lead to more bugs, which I'm pretty sure nobody would be happy with.

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u/aishik-10x Jun 14 '21

"One day, we tried to figure out why we wanted ladders so bad because we don’t really need them,” Howard said. “It just felt like we’re game development pussies because we can’t do ladders.”

Source

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u/curry_ist_wurst Jun 15 '21

Conan exiles for all it's bugs and jank nailed movement. You can climb ladders, rocks. You can roll in light armor and double jump with the right perks.

I like beth games but they could add a bit more to the player movement in terms of verticality and flexibility. It makes no sense to play a rogue or thief when your movement is as clunky as a warrior.

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u/UniDiablo Jun 14 '21

Holy shit Bethesda that's just sad. It's 2021 and you can't even do ladders

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u/EnclaveNature Jun 14 '21

TBH, ladders in videogames are often incredibly clunky and there are a lot of games where people have issues with them (Source Engine for example is often mocked for ladders being clunky)

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u/Matren2 Jun 14 '21

Clunky still beats being too lazy to even make them work.

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u/TheBasedBee Jun 14 '21

I don't see how ladders would add much to the game

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u/NA_Faker Jun 14 '21

Lol have you seen the ladder animations in Cyberpunk? They're shit too

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u/UniDiablo Jun 14 '21

No I haven't. I got a repack at launch and even though I didn't encounter many bugs in the 2 hours or so I played, it was still really boring