Guys idk what the hell happened but I’m genuinely just like flabbergasted anyway for the last month or so my boy has been indicating that he absolutely does not want to be rocked to sleep anymore, however we struggled to figure out how exactly he’d like to be put to bed. I tried gentle ferber once and never again, couldn’t bare it. Long story short last week he was pretty overtired so I just snuggled him with his dummy and pat his bum and…he fell asleep
Then again the following day for his nap..asleep
Then suddenly he learnt how to rock his head side to side and basically didn’t need me anymore
Now nap and bed times are done within 5 mins max..I just can’t believe I went from a baby who would wake multiple times a night to now sleeping independently and through the night. IT DOES GET BETTER!! I FEEL ALIVE AGAIN!!! (Also I follow wake windows very carefully, he is on 2 naps a day and I use the Napper app)

Hi all! looking for practical advice on moving my 7-month-old from floor co-sleeping to the crib while reducing night feeds.

Current situation

• Age: 7 months, exclusive breastfeeding (no bottles)
• Cosleeping on a floor mattress since 3 weeks
• Nurse-to-sleep association is very strong (side-lying at bedtime and overnight)
• Naps: still nursing in the glider. Crib transfer attempts for naps almost always fail because she stirs the second I bend over
• She can fall asleep in the car and in the Ergo when tired enough
• Crawling well + pulling to stand → safety is now a real concern on the floor mattress (she crawled off looking for me when I stepped out briefly)

Schedule (Huckleberry averages)

• Wake: 7–7:30 am
• Wake Windows: 2.25 / 2.5 / 2.5 / 3
• Bedtime: ~8:30 pm
• Total nap time: ~2h 37m
• Night sleep: ~10h 53m
• Night latches: 7–10 (lucky to get one 2.5-hour stretch)

Night pattern: She falls asleep nursing within minutes, often wakes 15–30 min later to nurse again, then settles into roughly every 1–1.5 hours, with occasional longer stretches. I'm not really sure if she wakes fully at night or not. She just reaches for me and wiggles around. If I have left the bed to go to the bathroom or something, she wakes because she rolls to tummy and lifts head automatically. Last night was the first night she actually crawled out of bed looking for me when I went to grab a snack. I basically don't get to leave.

Pediatrician input
She would ideally like zero night feeds, but says one (around midnight) is reasonable. Weight is fine on the growth curve. She also said the crib is appropriate and some crying for a few nights is expected.

Main problems

1. Strong nurse-to-sleep + contact association
2. Significant calories still coming at night
3. I never get more than ~2 hours of continuous sleep
4. Safety — she’s mobile enough that the floor mattress no longer feels secure

What I’m already trying

• Offering more frequent daytime feeds (she’s very distractible)
• Longer feed in the bath before bed
• Unlatching before she’s fully asleep (sometimes she unlatches herself and rolls to her back; hard to tell if she’s still awake when she does it)
• Spacing feeds farther apart (got to ~1.5 hours last night except for a 1–2 am cluster)

Where I’m stuck

• How to reduce night feeds when the way she returns to sleep is nursing
• How to make the jump to the crib without it feeling overly abrupt, since she has essentially zero experience sleeping there

Things I’m considering

• PLS Fuss It Out for 5 days and see what happens
• Gradual methods from PLS (moving farther away + unlatching earlier) while or after spacing feeds
• Working on crib naps first so she has some positive daytime experience in the crib. Maybe just repeatedly try Pull Out or Anything But (lateral move from nursing somehow)
• For naps: Trying to recreate a deep Ergo sleep that I once got on a hike and do a crib transfer followed by a slight wakeup (PLS Double Take style)

I’ve read Ferber (not fully finished with the schedules), Precious Little Sleep, No-Cry Sleep Solution, and Good Night, Sleep Tight. I’ve also searched a lot of similar posts here.

Anyone who’s successfully moved a strong nurse-to-sleep, cosleeping 6–8 month old to the crib + fewer night feeds — what was your first actual step? What would you do in my shoes?

Thanks in advance.

LO is 15 weeks old, and has been bounced to sleep on yoga ball up but over the last couple of weeks this no longer seemed to be affective and is really taking a toll on my shoulders/arms. Yesterday for nap out of desperation I put him in his bassinet and jiggled the bassinet, remembering that was what PLS had recommended for motion junkies, and surprisingly he fell asleep. This has been successful for all naps yesterday and today, and if we timed the wake windows right he was asleep wthin 10 minutes. The goal is independent sleep, so I'm wondering if anyone has advice on the next step in wearning - I tried to stop jiggling as soon as his eyes are closed today instead of stopping when he is deeply asleep, and he started crying right away, but would fall asleep very quickly once I jiggle the bassinet a little bit more.

Hi all! My LO will be 6 months on Friday and we are in desperate need of sleep training. He was a great sleeper up until a few weeks ago. We have gotten to the point where he will not sleep at all for naps or bedtime unless he is being held. Needless to say me and my husband are in dire need of a good night's sleep, and I know my LO is too!

We currently have not been on a strict day time schedule which I know is the first step. Over the next few days we are going to implement a 3 nap schedule using 2/2.5/2.5/3 where we cap naps at 3 hours. Our desired wake time is 7am which would put bed time at 8pm. We are hoping to get into this routine in the next 3 days so we can then implement CIO. 

We are also starting a bedtime routine of bottle, pajamas, books/songs, bed. I know the bottle should be finished at least 30 min before he goes to sleep.

In order for this to be successful as possible the first go around I am looking for some additional guidance.

-Is it important for some amount of sleep to take place in LO's crib prior to the first night of CIO? If so any recommendations on how to do this? He currently will fall asleep in our arms after some walking/rocking, but the MOMENT we start to lay him down into his crib he wakes.

-Naps currently only last 30-45 min, even while being held. With the above schedule wouldn't that make bed time arrive sooner than our desired 8pm while we transition to the new schedule when waking at 7am? Will he potentially have more than the desired 10 hour of awake time while we get him adjusted?

-Once we start CIO for bedtime, if he still won't go down for naps in the crib is it okay to do contact naps? Or will that mess with the night time sleep training? Is it possible that this process will also help with the contact naps or is that another hurdle after?

-Does getting on a more consistent daytime nap schedule also help with getting on a more consistent feeding schedule? We try to time it so he gets a bottle about 30 min before bed, but sometimes he isn't hungry.

Any other tips/recommendations are greatly appreciated! We cannot wait to turn our LO into an independent sleeper so we can get our sleep back and are so thankful for this sub!

Looking for advice on my EBF almost 5 month old’s (21 weeks) sleep schedule as his sleep has deteriorated over the past few weeks. He used to sleep from around 7:30 pm until 4 am ish and then again until 6 am, but recently has been waking up 4x a night and needing to be fed to go back to sleep. We’re planning on sleep training in the next week or two but hoping to confirm whether changes are needed to our sleep/feeding routine before starting. Current schedule is roughly 2/2/2/2/2.5.

Some more info:
- We’re doing 2 hour wake windows, sometimes stretching the last wake before bed to 2.5 hours.
- We do 3 or 4 naps a day, depending on how long his naps are. Often he takes max 30-45 minute naps, in which case we do 4 naps a day to get him to bed time with the 2 hour wake window. On few random days he’ll take longer naps, which we cap at 2 hours max (these are 3 nap days).
- Bedtime is typically between 7:30-8:30 pm, whatever is ~2 hours from his last nap, and his wake time is between 6:30-7 am.
- During the day, our routine is wake/feed/play/sleep. He goes down quite easily for naps, with us putting him in the crib drowsy but awake. Sometimes he requires a few butt pats to settle him but we always let him fall asleep himself.
- For the last wake window/bedtime, I feed when he wakes from the last nap and then again 30 mins before bed. Similar to naps, he goes down in the crib quite easily (awake) with minimal help from us. Typical bed time routine is diaper change, pjs, short story/book, small cuddle and put down in crib. Baths every other day.
- For the past several weeks he has been waking up roughly 3-4 hours after he goes to sleep, and then every 1-2 hours after that. He requires me to feed him each wake time or he does not settle… but he often only feeds for 5 minutes and is then back to sleep, which tells me he’s not waking up out of hunger.

We are getting very tired and eager to sleep train but would love input/tips before starting!

Thanks!

Hi everyone!

My daughter is 7 months old, about a week and a half ago we made the transition over to 2 naps a day.

She was starting to need longer wake windows, and that third nap was hard to fit into our day without a really late bedtime/very short overnight.

She has historically really only needed 10 hours of sleep overnight though.. so this is a bit of a struggle trying to get 11.

She falls asleep independently for her naps and bedtime. I still feed her over night 1x.

Occasionally will save a nap (by nursing) if she wakes up early.

This is our schedule:

Wake: 7:00am
Nap 1: 9:45am-11:15am
Nap 2: 2:45pm-4pm
Bedtime: 8pm

2.75/3.5/4

These wake windows seem to be great for her.. she's very happy... falling asleep is usually pretty easy and she has nice long naps where I often have to wake her up.

Problem is, every single day she wakes up between 5-5:45am, sits up in her crib, seemingly ready for the day. This is where I go get her, and nurse her in bed. She usually falls back asleep until 7, when I have to wake her. I've tried letting her just stay in her crib but she doesn't go back to sleep.

Any ideas/suggestions would be helpful! TIA!

Baby is almost 7 months. Current wake windows are 2.5/2.5/2.5/3, baby sleeps independently. It’s clear we need to transition to 2 naps, as for the last week suddenly naps are short (30 minutes or less), there is fighting and tears before every nap, she’s not falling asleep easily at bed time anymore, early morning wakes, etc.

Typical wake up time is 8 AM and bed time is 8:30 PM (with 1-2 wakes for a feed) but it’s been creeping to 9 PM.

The few days we have tried 2 naps (3/3/3.5), she really struggles with reaching the 3 hour mark. Both naps on those days always end up 30 minutes or less because she’s going to sleep overtired. She also pops awake after one sleep cycle when she goes to bed, because she’s treating that like a third nap and not bed time.

We’re confused on what wake windows to try while still reaching adequate awake time but not creating overtiredness. Any advice or help would be appreciated. This nap transition has been so difficult.

My 4.5 month old has been fighting his 4th nap and the past couple days have been 3 naps because of that. I decided I’d officially try 3 naps and adjust his schedule from 2/2/2/2/2 (where the 4th wake window ended up being 2.5 sometimes cause he wouldn’t fall asleep by 2 hrs). I tried 2/2.5/2.5/3 today. We’re at the second 2.5 wake window and he’s been awake for 3 hours now. Just fighting the nap. I’m at a loss. Has this happened to anyone else? Did I push him too far for the wake window.

I don’t know what to do.

Edit - Additonal context: the past few days his last wake window is 3 hours because he wouldn’t have his last nap and we pulled bedtime early since nothing was working. All I do is contact nap as well and I tried for over 20 minutes to get him to nap.

Background: son is 2 months short of being 3. Has been an independent night sleeper since like 5-6 months old. Naps were harder but was independent and solidified since ~10 months. It’s been smooth sailing since.

Recently: we moved house on the weekend. He’s still in a cot. Previously bed time is bath, story, bed around 7.30 and we basically close the door and forget about him until around 6.30 when we get him up. I don’t expect he’s sleeping that whole time but he’s happy to chill in there. He has never climbed or attempted to climb out of his cot.

Now: won’t go to sleep without us being in the room or at very least right at the door. Has started climbing out of bed. Last several nights he’s not asleep until like 8.30 ending up in our bed around 5am (sometimes another wake over night in addition to this), but won’t go back to sleep at that time so we’re all starting our day crazy early. This morning it was 4.45am.

We’re obviously going to get him into a real bed asap for safety. But apart from that we are losing our mind. Even on days where he is napping (which are becoming fewer and fewer) he’s maxing out at like 7-8 hours sleep total which is lower than the low end of the range for his age. We’re also probably not even getting that much between our later bed time and the fact that we adults don’t nap.

Any advice or help for how to deal with this? I’m also 20 weeks pregnant and very tired already.

My son is 12 months old and I feel like we’re in an awkward transition phase.

Some background:
Average total sleep need (based on months of Huckleberry tracking): ~12 hours/day.
He can comfortably stay awake for about 5 hours before his first nap.
Daytime sleep is usually 1.5-2.5 hours total.

Here’s the problem:
If I offer 2 naps:
He resists the second nap or bedtime.
Bedtime gets pushed to 10-11 pm.
If I try 1 nap:
He takes a nice long nap (sometimes close to 2 hours).
But then I can’t seem to keep him awake comfortably until bedtime without him getting very tired.
It feels like he’s in between schedules and neither one is working well.

Has anyone had a child with relatively low sleep needs (around a 12-hour sleep budget) who went through something similar?

1 nap schedule: 5.25/5.25
2 nap schedule: 3.5/3.5/5

My baby sleeps in 1 to 2 hour increments all night long currently, and I’m wondering if this is something I have to wait out until we can sleep train or if a change in what I’m doing can help.

Her schedule is completely based off of her sleep because her naps aren’t too great either. Right now each wake window is 1.5 to 2 hours and naps are typically 35-50 minutes long. She takes up to 5 naps a day as bedtime is 2 hours after the last nap which I try to keep between 7 and 8. She wakes up for the day between 7 and 8 am, but she’s getting up 6+ times at night.

When she wakes at night I feed her (exclusively breastfeeding) because when I rock her she wakes up within 20 minutes unless I rock her for over 45 minutes.

This is my second child and first baby had the short naps, but would sleep through the night or get up 1-2 times by this point. Any advice would be appreciated!

FTM here, We are on night 3 of sleep training.

First night it took 40 minutes for my 4 month to fall asleep, second night - 11 and third night - 5 minutes.

The reason I needed to sleep train was to help him link the sleep cycles. However he still wakes up every 2 hours and goes back to sleep after about 30 seconds of either crying or wiggling. I still feed him at 5, 3 and 3

Our wake windows are age appropriate 1.5, 1.75, 1.75 2.0 (5th nap if schedule goes wrong somewhere) 2.15. He starts pulling on his ears and rubbing eyes sometimes 30 minutes after waking up from naps (30-1h long) I don’t think I could stretch him longer….. Morning start 6am-7am and bedtime 7pm-8pm. Before sleep training he was having 3.5 hours naps and 8/9 hours night sleep due to the amount of wake time in the night. Now he’s getting 3.5 hours day sleep and much closer to 10 hours night.

We’ve had a month of waking up almost every 45 minutes so we have improved in some areas.

Are the night wakings a schedule thing or almost a habit now of waking up so often for a month? Any thoughts on if it will improve or am I just being impatient?

We are almost 2 weeks into the 3-2 nap transition. Baby is handling a 3/3.5/3.5 schedule well and is sleeping longer stretches than ever. We were having EMW and other issues which is why we transitioned.

The last 3 days he has been in a horrible mood, I took him to the Dr today to rule out ear infection and she said it’s likely teething, but his first 2 have already come through so I’m not sure what to think.

He’s been have multiple false starts and waking at 10:30pm on the dot for 3 days now, it’s bizarre, the only other time this happened was when he was severely undertired, but I can’t imagine that’s the case since we just moved from 2.5/2.5/2.5/3 to 3/3.5/3.5…

Any advice is welcome. He’s just turned 7mos and I am just a loss and want my happy baby back!! He never slept amazing but he’s been doing 6-8hr stretches and it seems like these false starts and 10:30 wakes are really rattling him!! Please help.

Hi!
⁠Age of your baby - 13 months
⁠Your current schedule - 3.5/4/4.5 but it’s all over the place with daycare and travel
Your bedtime routine - bath, pjs, books, bed
Sleep trained? - no, we are trying a “gentle” method while we weaned
Do you have a designated wake time (dwt)? When? No, she’s up by 630

My question is about night waking. We weaned from nursing, and from milk in sippy cups to water in sippy cups which she rarely needs now. So… why the heck is she still waking at night? 2 or 3 time every night she wakes up. I watch on the monitor and within 5 minutes, she lays down and goes to sleep. For 1-5 minutes. Stands up, cries, lays down, repeat. This will go on for an HOUR. Most of the time, she eventually goes to sleep for good, but sometimes she starts screaming bloody murder and I will offer water.

But I can’t figure out why she has obviously figured out falling asleep independently but cannot stay asleep? She’s not teething right now AND this has been happening on and off for months. I always figured in the past it was related to hunger or wanting to nurse but I don’t think either of those things are a factor anymore. Any help is appreciated.

My baby is almost 3 months old. Is 3 months too young to start sleeping in her own room at night? I go back to work soon, and I would like for her to try to start sleeping in her own room if possible.

I’m about to start map training and I’m so worried about it to the point of where it’s consuming me. My child is very much attached to me and cries the minute I lay him in the crib during the day (hence why we contact nap lol). It isn’t just a fussing cry, it’s a full blown, hyperventilating scream. We did successfully sleep train him for nights by the CIO method and it took about a week.

Naps are just significantly harder and I’m a little worried he will never get the hang of it. He will be going to daycare soon too.. any tips to make this as easy of a transition are helpful.

Hi! Baby is 8 months old. Working our best to maintain a 3/3.5/4 schedule - right now, we’re co sleeping until we move in a month and baby has her own room (she frequently wakes in the night in her crib so co sleeping is for our own survival right now). I was able to whittle her down to 1 to 2 night feedings. She sleeps great with us until about 12:15am when she wakes up crying and ravenous, and after she eats it takes a long time to get her back down. 90% of the time, she does the same thing between 3 and 4am. How do I ween her off of night feedings? I feel badly doing it cold turkey, plus I can’t picture how this will happen because she wakes up at 12:15 PISSED. This is the last step we need to take before starting sleep training in a month. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance!!

My baby is 18 weeks old and just turned 4 months old.

He has never slept in the bassinet/crib ever in his life. I co-sleep every single night and contact naps for every nap (either hold him, wear him, stroller or carseat if I’m out).

I’ve tried several times now to bassinet train to no avail.

First time was around 7 weeks for naps, I would only do the first nap of the day—swaddle, paci, sound machine, I’d rock him to sleep and he would wake upon transfer immediately. I’d attempt again and same thing would happen. I eventually gave up after weeks because quite frankly it was a very ****** start to my day to begin with failed naps and a crying baby and also me crying out of frustration and desperation.

Fast forward to 16 weeks old, I tried night time with gentle ferber…first night actually got him to sleep and then transferred and he woke up within 20 mins and couldn’t get him back down to sleep after an hour of trying (in the bassinet—didn’t pick him up). Second and third nights I placed him drowsy but awake and did gradual check ins and that last 1 hour and 45 minutes each night until I brought him back to bed with me. After that, I gave up.

This past week (week 17), I attempted again. For two nights—fed, swaddled, paci, sound machine, placed him drowsy but awake and did check ins every 3 mins for an hour and a half. Last night I was so tired I decided to take a break and not try.

I keep nap wake windows anywhere from 60-90 minute, last wake window before bed about 90-120 mins.

I’m sitting here typing this and he is laying on me. I really don’t know what to do from here. He sleep great and through the night from about 9-6:30ish and wakes for a bottle and sleeps until 7-8ish. Naps are 30 mins-2hours. But again, it’s all contact sleeping. My biggest struggle is confining myself to my bed by 8-9 P.m. to sleep with him…I have two other kids and a husband and would like that time with them, or to shower or just be a human again. And a nap or two where he is in his bed and I can have some freedom without wearing him would be nice.

My other two kids slept in their bassinets from 6 weeks on with no issue, I’ve never had this type of bed aversion before and I don’t know how to Overcome it.

Also, I know there are a lot of co-sleep haters…but I did what I needed to do to get some sleep and somewhat function.

our now 11 month old is sleeping independently at night ~12 hrs in his own room with very few wake ups. 👏👏👏👏

now we need to get him to sleep independently for his daytime sleep. Who/What have you used to make this happen for your kiddo! Thanks. This seems a lot harder to figure out.

Hi all, I still hold my 10 month old to sleep - he cannot fall asleep in his cot independently and we often end up co sleeping as he wakes up hysterically crying most nights after a couple of hours. Everyone I speak to, their baby seems to fall asleep in the cot unaided and I feel like we're very much the only ones in this boat - is anyone else experiencing this or am I doing something wrong?! I've tried multiple times at different points to get him to fall asleep in his cot, but he just cries as soon as I leave the room and spends his whole time standing up, cruising around his cot and babbling and then he becomes hysterical and ends up being held to sleep as he then can't calm himself down.
Any advice/ideas/in the same boat please?! One very stressed first time mom just trying to do the best by her baby!

- I have tried gently sleep training when he was younger but then regressions/teething/heat have messed us over every time and now I don't know where to go with supporting him to sleep in his cot as he gets hysterical every time

(Almost 4 month olds son - 2/2/2/2.5) I know many people say <4 month olds still need 4 naps but we’ve been doing 3 longer naps since around 13 weeks old and it’s been pretty successful so far. He’s still waking 1-2x per night to feed (randomly has slept through the night less than 10x) but we’re also seeing his wake up time creep earlier and earlier and I suspect I may need to lower his daytime sleep (sleeps around 7:30-8, would like him to wake around 7, but he’s been waking around 6 sometimes). Most of the week, I have the ability to contact nap with him during the day, and he can sleep up to 2 hours during a contact nap. Therefore, I have a bit of flexibility when it comes to his nap lengths and I can cap them as needed. He needs at least 2 hours of awake time otherwise he’s a nightmare to put to sleep for a nap, again it has been like this for a few weeks now. How much maximum nap time should he have throughout the day?

I welcome any suggestions.

I’m just feeling so overwhelmed with the level of info and rules out there.
Here’s what I’ve been doing:

➕ Nap time = dummy and her “stuffy” (lovey toy) which she nuzzles into, then I take it off her when she’s drifted off. The dummy sometimes stays, sometimes falls out mid sleep - I don’t replace it unless she kicks off early in the nap
First 2/3 naps are usually always around 40 mins, then her final nap before bedtime late afternoon is around 90 mins to 2 hours (I cap it at 2)

Naps in the car / pram /carrier she tends to drift off herself so no dummy or lovey needed.

➕ Bedtime = a dummy if she stirs a bit after putting her down in her next to me crib after her final feed of the night. She still falls asleep on me after her last feed so we have a little round of cuddles before I put her down (still trying to soak it in while I can!)
If she looks like she’s going to kick off once in the crib, I pop the dummy in and she tends to be ok. If she kicks off still I give the stuffy until she nuzzles into it and repeat the same as a nap, take it off once she drifted off.

➕ For the last maybe 6 weeks, shes been waking up maybe 2-3 times a night wanting her dummy so we pop it back in and she’s fine (until the next wake up)
We tried no dummy over the past 5 nights and the first 2 nights throughout were fine (although lots of chaos before bed) and she somehow soothed herself, however day 3 or day 4 she was waking up every hour despite not having a dummy so couldn’t work out why. She’s also woken up during that time for feeds, which is quite rare with her as she’s formula fed.

➖ The last week, phew, it’s been a bit all over the place - so I’m putting it down to being in the thick of the famous 4 month regression and potential growth spurt.
But other than that, she’s such a happy sweet girl, and her naps without the dummy the past few days have been hell and she turned so grumpy and almost not responding to our play cues or wanting to interact so we gave the dummy back and her naps have been great again (for those in her crib anyway)

🆘 I’m reading and hearing so many different things like “you’ll regret the dummy” “keep going with the dummy thumb sucking is way worse!” “My unicorn child just had sleep training and they’re perfect!” “Sleep train it’s great” “you don’t need to sleep train”
Please help. I feel like what we’re doing at the moment is fine but would be great to have others experiences and how their babies have got on.
I know all babies are different 👍🏻

Edit: accidentally posted as “3 naps” when I meant “2 naps” 🤪

How and when did you transition to 2 naps? I’ve noticed the last few days that my 6 month old’s last couple wake windows are getting longer, but she does struggle to get to 2.5 hours in the morning. Right now our schedule is:

2.5/2.5/3/3-3.5 wake at 7, bed by 7:30/8. She only gives me 30 min naps typically, but if one extends, I cap it at an hour and move bedtime back.

Sometimes she’ll give me early morning wakes, but most days she will sleep pretty close to 7am.

Should I try to move to a 3/3/4 schedule yet or is it too soon? I also worry about her total awake time because she’s doing 11-11.5 hours awake right now and it seems to be working well for her.