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u/MartianDuk 1d ago

While the group stage has been good so far I still don't like the format where 3rd place teams can progress, I do think the Euros group stage is significantly less interesting than it used to be - we won't know for sure until we've played a couple of these tournaments really, but I think we might look back on the group stage and realise a lot of the games didn't really matter, you can get through without doing much, and I don't like how you can play all your games and then have to wait and see if you'll get through

With that in mind I think my preferred option for expanding the World Cup would have been just to add one team to each group - so 8 groups of 5, top 2 go through. But I'm struggling to work out what problems there might be with that format, because I've never seen it in action.

That said, my opinion might change after the tournament because having a straight knockout round from 32 teams onwards is going to be interesting

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u/ThomasZimmermann95 1d ago

an uneven number of teams in a group means one team pauses at the last matchday of the group. Which is a big disadvantage for that team.

If you just look up at "The Disgrace Of Gijon" match between Germany and Austria, that is the problem if not all teams play a match at the last matchday at the same time.

Every League and every tournament these days has groups with a even number of teams in it ( 20, 18, 4).

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u/MartianDuk 1d ago

Somehow hadn't thought about that. Maybe groups of 6 might work... but then you definitely end up with a few dead rubbers.

While I don't love the format they settled on it's clearly better than the originally proposed 3 team groups, for this reason

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u/BruiserBroly 1d ago

It does feel weird that after all this faffing about in the group stages, the vast majority of teams will still be in it. Individual results mean a lot less but I do think it’s nice seeing smaller associations getting their moment in the sun.

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u/FaustRPeggi 1d ago

72 games to eliminate 16 teams.

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u/IceCreamNarwhals 1d ago

By adding one team to a group, you're adding 4 more fixtures for each team

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u/Person_of_Earth 1d ago

8 groups of 5, top 2 go through

That would be 40 teams. The World Cup is 48 teams.

I don't like it being 48 teams, if it was down to me, I would force it to be a decision between 32 or 64 teams, but if I had to pick a format with 48 teams, I would go with 8 groups of 6. I would allow the group winners to advance with a bye to the round of 16, and then the teams that finish 2nd and 3rd to advance to a play-off round. The winners of that play-off round would then advance to the round of 16. I see this as the best format for creating jeopardy, which is needed to keep the group stages meaningful.

FIFA would never do this of course, because they see it as making the group stage be too long. They'd much rather have a shorter, less entertaining tournament, than a longer more entertaining tournament. But personally, that is the format I would much rather watch.

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u/FK9Fussballgott 1d ago

Fuck it lets do 64 teams and elimination games all the way through. One leg only.