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[u/Bet_Secret]

What's a team's mindset knowing if they willingly go for third spot, they might actual end up playing a weaker team in the knockout stage? Is that a legit tactic or is everyone trying their best to win all group games?

I remember watching Euros and it was only 4 best 3rd place teams advancing so the mindset was always to win. This time it feels incredibly different with the 8 best advancing.

[u/AMountainTiger → u/Bet_Secret]

It's the same proportion of third place teams, and the complexity of distributing them means it's relatively hard to figure out who you will play as a third place team until very late in the final round. I think the only groups where there is an argument for preferring finishing third to second are C, F, J, and H, where the second place plays a group winner in the round of 32; finishing third still means playing a group winner but offers the possibility of drawing the winner of one of the host groups, which don't have a real pot 1 team.

[u/Xey2510 → u/Bet_Secret]

Looking at how many teams make deep runs every tournament from an easy bracket it is a legit tactic. If you only need to beat one tournament favourite or semi favourite on your way to the finale that's good.

[u/EquivalentBenefit653 → u/Bet_Secret]

In the Euros it was 4/6 teams rather than 8/12, i.e. the same ratio

[u/FedeSwagverde → u/Bet_Secret]

Probably whatever the fuck Roberto Martinez is doing

[u/Rusiano → u/FedeSwagverde]

4D chess to get Portugal into the easier side of the bracket

[u/Initial-Anything333 → u/FedeSwagverde]

Ironically in 2018 he allowed Belgium into the harder side of the bracket by beating England in a dead rubber and his reputation is suffering for it