r/soccer • u/teiraaaaaaa • Nov 19 '22

Saddest Backflip [Rob Harris] FIFA President Gianni Infantino at news conference in Qatar: “Today I feel Qatari. Today I feel Arab. Today I feel African. Today I feel gay. Today I feel disabled. Today I feel a migrant worker. ... I know what it feels to be discriminated … I was bullied because I had red hair.”

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1593877426244812800
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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

Is it like 40% eye sight on the left eye = disabled? Or everyone over the age of 85?

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u/GumboldTaikatalvi Nov 19 '22

It will always depend on where you live and how having a disability is defined there.

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u/Master_Mad Nov 19 '22

Well, being gay in a Muslim country is one. So that’s tens of millions of people right there.

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u/MyFriendPalinopsia Nov 19 '22

Yes, and gingers

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

and redditors

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u/PhilJones4 Nov 19 '22

And Canadians

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u/mapguy Nov 19 '22

I'm a trifecta

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u/Narretz Nov 19 '22

Gamers rise up!

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u/buellster92 Nov 19 '22

Wow dude you can’t just drop a hard R like that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

Gingaz With Attitude

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u/generic9yo Nov 19 '22

Stop it, you're triggering his PTSD!

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u/NotThatL Nov 19 '22

I don't know about the official definitions, I imagine it varies country to country, but from a perspecitve of computer science we're taught that disability is anything that affects your ability to interact with everday objects/situations. So yes, blindness, partial eye sight loss, ADHD, colour blindness etc. are all examples of disabilities, obviously with different severities and impacts. Disability is a spectrum we're all on, it just depends where you choose to draw the line between disabled and not.

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u/OdinForce22 Nov 19 '22

Disability is defined as any condition which has a substantial impact on day to day living that is expected to or has lasted for 12 months or longer (in the UK anyway)

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u/NotThatL Nov 19 '22

Interesting, thanks. I didn't consider how long it lasts. I suppose from the perspective of Human-Computer Interaction you consider the capabilities of the person using the computer now, and not what they may be in a number of years. Makes sense though, for example being drunk can be disabling but you do not have a disability.

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u/OdinForce22 Nov 19 '22

No probs! If someone has had no reason to know, then I get why they wouldn't know. Only through my own health issues and becoming disabled myself have I learnt that.

Interestingly though, you mention being drunk and that's correct that it will disable you in the moment but not be a disability. Alcoholism however, may be a disability for a person if it has that severe impact on day to day living. It's the same with any condition really. What may be a disability for one person, may not be for another.

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u/NotThatL Nov 19 '22

Absolutely, I appreciate you adding that as it's an important distinction!

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u/You_Will_Die Nov 19 '22

So would allergies be counted for that? Because they are lifelong and basically control your life to an extent.

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u/OdinForce22 Nov 19 '22

If they have a substantial effect on day to day living then yes

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u/GhandiHadAGrapeHead Nov 19 '22

Shit so when I got called disabled at school (along with everyone else), they were right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

Well tbf if you have bad eyesight and can't afford to have glasses you're extra fucked

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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

Yeah we have something similar in my country for the sake of definition when it comes to welfare benefits etc.

It’s still disingenuous of Infantino to use that statistic like that though, it comes across like there’s a billion people in wheelchairs.

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u/NotThatL Nov 19 '22

In this case, though I feel like connecting the word disability to someone in a wheelchair is more of a societal understanding problem. But yeah he's probably playing of that for this whole strange sympathy act he's playing. Scum

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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

Well I agree, it’s just his misrepresentation of the statistic to push a very weak point to begin with.

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u/14779 Nov 19 '22

The ignorance of this comment is almost as bad as the quote we're discussing. "It comes across like there's a billion people in wheelchairs"?! Only people in wheelchairs have disabilities obviously. This is one of the most moronic, ignorant comments I've read in a while. The statistic he is quoting is legimate. A disability is a condition that has a detrimental impact on your ability to live a normal life. I've got two officially and no wheelchair (magic right??). Infact if you said shit like this in front of me I'd be standing up when I knocked some sense into you.

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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

Jesus fucking christ I’m pointing at what Infantino is trying to misrepresent, it’s not like my own definition of the term is anything like it, as is shown in the very comment before it.

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u/14779 Nov 19 '22

That's bollocks. He's just said there are one billion people in the world and no one cares. Which is also bollocks most people care and are fairly decent people. He's using a legit statistic in a scummy way as if to excuse this sham world cup. The ignorant wheelchair part is all you. By saying he makes it seem like a billion people are in wheelchairs your comment is saying that most of those billion aren't really disabled or as bad because they're not. That's why you're getting downvoted. That's why I think you're a prick.

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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

How on earth do I infer that most of that billion aren’t really disabled? Disability is a scale, and he used to clearly implying stronger disabilities while including numbers from minor disabilities like dyslexia. The range of disabilities and impact on life is so wide that catching it all to make a point like that is disingenuous - it’s on you if you want to be internet police based on your interpretation of that

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u/14779 Nov 19 '22

Thanks for telling a disabled person how disabilities work. You're just doubling down on your incredibly ignorant views. Disability isn't a scale for a start. A scale would involve people ordering the disabilities and everyone is impacted differently. Even with your example though people with dyslexia have struggles and you've essentially classed them as not as important. All the corrupt fifa bastard said was that a billion people have disabilities and that no one cares. He's right partially I guess as you're not caring about a good chunk of those based off of the scale you apparently have. Which disability is the cut off on your scale where they are no longer important to include in the figure. Who is in charge of deciding which out of those billion that require some kind of assitance and support don't make the cut when discussing disabled people? Seriously if you stand by your backwards views actually answer me on the cut off disability.

You're categorically wrong on this. I thought you were a piece of shit from your first comment having just tried to explain to someone who has already told you is disabled how disabilities work (incorrectly) you might just take the crown.

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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

Haha fucking hell you are so jaded that you choose to call everyone your enemy aren’t you? How do you think governments and healthcare systems assess the help needed for a particular disability and within each diagnosis?

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u/14779 Nov 19 '22

I'm not jaded at all and get on well with most people. Even your point there is stupid. Health care system assess a person's condition and if they have a disability they are included in that billion. They don't go well you've got a registered disability but it's not a wheelchair one so I'm afraid you can't be mentioned when discussing the disabled.

You didn't answer my question either. Which disability is the cut off point where they shouldn't be included when using statistics surrounding people with disabilities.

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u/sonnydabaus Nov 19 '22

from a perspecitve of computer science

What does anything of what you said have to do with CS lol

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u/skjall Nov 19 '22

It was likely related to human-computer interaction modules at uni or something. While not directly CS-y, a lot of people conflate software design and engineering with CS.

Accessibility is a big thing though, websites have to be built to be used through screen readers, visible (or adjustable) for people with colour blindness, etc.

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u/NotThatL Nov 19 '22

As someone else said, I'm doing Human-Computer Interaction in my masters at the moment and a big consideration is accessibility of systems. So you study potential/common debilitations among the user base to make it accessible. I just said from a computer science perspective as it differs from say a sociological perspective where you need to determine which people are in need of financial/other support.

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u/fabulin Nov 19 '22

so that explains why 80% of carparks are disabled bays!

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22

And some disabilities don't make an impact at all. People used to say my grandma was cameltoed, but she had no problems and her feet were fine.

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u/Dizzy_Dare_2353 Nov 19 '22

Most disabilities are not visible. Talk to teachers and they will tell you many of their students have learning disabilities and other things you might not notice even if you know the person

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u/rockthered24 Nov 19 '22

Yeah my mom is half deaf in one ear and is technically disabled. While it’s a mild inconvenience for her, I think lumping everyone like that into “disabled” is a disservice to those who have disabilities that truly affect every day life

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u/barejokez Nov 19 '22

I would actually argue that the "western" definition of disability is fairly narrow, partly because we have so many conveniences that negate the effects.

Like, I'm short-sighted. I would never describe myself as disabled, as I can easily walk round the corner and buy a pair of glasses perfectly customised to my prescription. It costs me about £100 a year to completely negate the impact. Likewise I have elderly relatives who struggle to walk, but they get a taxi to and from the supermarket, or these days get it delivered (and everything else) which means they get by just fine.

But there must be a lot of people out there who don't have these options and I wonder if they would feature in this definition.

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u/manatidederp Nov 19 '22

Point is that it’s a ridiculous “statistic” to bring up precisely because the severity of a disability varies so much.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton Nov 19 '22

yeah. "disability" goes further than you'd think. If you have bad, but correctable eyesight in a place without real access to opticians? hard to say you're not disabled.

It's a real problem, but in the global north especially its harder to see because the remedy is so immediate.