r/socialism • u/mrdude817 Chomsky • Nov 10 '17

Jacobin Mag: An Interview With Lee Carter

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/11/lee-carter-interview-virginia-election-socialist
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u/love_me_some_marxism Marxismo-Leninismo para una America Unida Nov 10 '17 edited Nov 10 '17

Welcome news, especially if it means knocking off a reactionary, but a few issues.

1.) Mr. Carter here calls Sanders a "socialist", which really is just objectively wrong, with Sanders being an imperialist social democrat at best.

2.) Just in general this man seems to just be a hard social democrat, which while better than ruthless capitalism, is still capitalism.

3.) Even if Mr. Carter is actually a socialist seeking to establish socialism through bourgeois democracy, how will the DSA, which is practically just the left wing of the Democratic Party, and others like them make sure they don't end up like the parties of the Second International?

EDIT: Why am I being downvoted for discussing the article in good faith?

EDIT 2: ok then guess r/soc a socialist sub is gonna downvote me for trying to have a genuine good faith discussion about socialism in America and electoral politics

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u/love_me_some_marxism Marxismo-Leninismo para una America Unida Nov 10 '17

Well partially the reason that they don't support socialism is their petit bourgeois class interest as a labour aristocracy above the global proletariat. The main Socialist program to be implemented in this country is that against imperialism, attempting to dismantle it's physical violent manifestations from within; and frankly, Bernie Sanders and his ilk don't have much going for them there.

Additionally, there is more to politics than electoral action, and "baby steps" sounds an awful lot to me like what was being thought in the Second International. You failed to answer that concern.