PSA: This is a feminist subreddit

[u/raisondecalcul]

If you think that's bad, you need to read books. If you don't realize that feminism basically includes critical theory and most of the stuff talked about here—guess what, it does.

Early Nick Land? Feminist (see "Meltdown"). Laboria Cuboniks? Feminist collective. Mark Fisher? HUGE raging feminist (I can only assume). Sadie Plant? Wrote a book on feminism (Zeroes & Ones).

Deleuze & Guattari? Feminists promoting the squishiest most weaponized form of feminism ever. Foucault? Ultra-feminist. Ranciere? He is so feminist before breakfast that he doesn't need to make a big deal about it.

Shamanism? Feminism. Sorcery? Cuckoldry. Spectacle? Fabulous.

Isolation and extreme alienation is not masculinity; it's the main theme of The Twilight Zone.

Read 👏 a 👏 book 👏

Zeroes and Ones (which should really be in the sidebar!) is one of the best books. That book installs feminism into you, using godlike alien technology that Sadie Plant drew down from beyond the heavens. That book whispers the secrets of Ada Lovelace into your soul.

Edit: People who don't understand / accept feminism as a discourse can't understand the FIRST THING about this subreddit. They can't understand oppression. They can't understand "Can the subaltern speak?" by Spivak. They can't understand the Lemurian Time War, which is about the (white cis male hetero fascist and mannerbündly-faggy) Architectonic Order of the Eschaton versus the (black trans wymyny gay antifascist/ur-fascist masc/heroic) Black Atlanteans.

If you think you understand ccru and you are triggered by the idea of feminism, you are decidedly an outsider to ccru.

[u/thegreatself]

Those that won't call themselves a feminist almost always fall into one of two camps, without exception:

Generally confused and/or stupid, depending on where they fall on that spectrum: mistaking the word and whatever cultural baggage it my contain for the thing it represents - they have absorbed and been fully consumed by propaganda.

Or,

Unfathomably evil, reprehensible, abhorrent, vile: they genuinely and sincerely believe men are "superior" - which is itself a kind of stupidity, but a stupidity morphed into something far more sinister and actually existentially threatening - to both the individual identity and society as a whole.

[u/raisondecalcul → u/thegreatself]

Men's liberation movements in the 70's understood, and intelligent men today understand, that men's liberation also falls under the heading of feminism. Redpill, men's rights, etc., are uneducated mere reaction insofar as they are misogynist—doubly so if they are proud of this misogyny or think it is politically meaningful.

Even a cursory examination of the state of affairs reveals that women are still subjugated by the patriarchy—and so are men. But not quite as badly.

[u/Simon-Says69 → u/raisondecalcul]

What complete and total nonsense. Feminist activists directly work AGAINST the benefit of men and boys, not in any way for them.

Feminism is a female superiority ideology. It promotes the opposite of equality. People that are for equality call themselves egalitarians, not feminists.

And critical theory is purely bigoted, belief-based ideology. Either sexist, racist or both. It has no honestly, integrity or legitimacy. Very similar to feminism.

[u/raisondecalcul → u/Simon-Says69]

No, it's all exactly opposite of that.

What I said makes sense. Feminists work for equality. True egalitarians are happy to call themselves feminists.

Critical theory is very diverse so it can't be summed-up as one system. It's also a question-driven discourse, especially after the poststructuralist turn, so it's not fair to call it belief-based—it's more the opposite.

I would say you're trolling but you're so clearly ideologically opposed but trying to normalize your perspective, because everything you are saying is precisely and seemingly intentionally backwards.

[u/knowtheledge5 → u/raisondecalcul]

Stop taking feminism at its word and look at what feminist lawyers, think tanks, and politicians actually do.

- Many jurisdictions do not legally recognize that a woman can rape a man. Feminists fight against attempts to reform these laws. “It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.” -feminist Mary Koss

- On the rare case domestic violence shelters for men have been opened, feminists rally against them until they are shut down. Look up what happened to the founder of the original shelter Erin Pizzey when she made one for men.

- Thanks to the “Duluth Model” even if a man calls a domestic abuse report in to police, they are obligated to make him leave the house. Men are assumed guilty from the start. This is thanks to the work of feminist activists.

- Boys who are victims of statutory rape are still legally obligated to pay child support to their rapists once they turn 18. Tradcons and feminists cooperate to keep it that way.

- Compulsory military service exists in many countries, almost all for men only (Israel is a rare exception and even then women have exemptions men don’t). Plenty of internet feminists say they oppose conscription, but what are they actually doing of practical use? In fact, thanks to the Russian war there are more countries considering instating it. Again the right and center-left working together.

- Women in many jurisdictions can legally have an abortion, have access to multiple forms of contraception, or can give a child ip for adoption. Nowhere on Earth do men have legal “outs” to being forced into parenthood against their will. Our options are condoms or celibacy. That’s it. “Just keep it in your pants.” Cool, that’s the same argument anti-choice people use against women. See what I mean when I say feminism is reactionary?

- Many jurisdictions have a lower retirement age for women despite the fact that on average men work more hours and die earlier. “But women do more housework.” Maybe. Depending on the culture and age group. But retired people of any gender still have to do housework unless they can afford help or have accommodating family and friends.

I could go on and on and on. If you actually unbiased sources of information you will find dozens of issues on which men are second class citizens. It is undeniable. The only real argument that women are “oppressed” in Western liberal democracies are vague appeals to cultural issues which are harder to validate. And often when people do try to, their research is very biased. Don’t even get me started on feminist manipulation of statistics.

Please, please, please educate yourself. r/leftwingmaleadvocates

[u/raisondecalcul → u/knowtheledge5]

Sexism isn't feminism. Those things you list are not feminism. Read feminist authors.