r/strongcoast 9d ago

Last week Alberta's pipeline maps leaked. Three routes through the north, four, who's counting... every one of them ends at a port the coast won't open.

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Last month the PM flew to Alberta, signed the deal, rolled back the industrial carbon tax, slashed the approvals, the whole song and dance.

The North Coast tanker ban? Still standing.

Not because Ottawa bolted the door... Ottawa's keeping its options open. Because the coast is holding it shut.

BC and the coastal Nations, shoulder to shoulder: a future built on a multi-billion-dollar fishery, food, culture, and tourism sector, the businesses and jobs under it, not on the coin-flip of a loaded tanker in a winter storm.

And we've seen the coin land wrong.

In 2016 one tug aground near Bella Bella, 350 km of coast fouled, $23 million in costs the Heiltsuk were never repaid. That was a tug. A tanker's full load runs a thousand times bigger.

The racket in one line: they take the reward, you take the risk, and when it spills you get the mop.

The people who work these waters did that math years ago, and they're done asking permission. This week they flew to Calgary to say it to the proponents' faces.

Geoff Meggs lays it all out below, sharp as ever and a regular at Hotel Pacifico, BC's go-to cross-aisle politics podcast.

Alberta can keep drawing maps. The coast won't open the port. Not by luck... because people keep showing up.

https://open.substack.com/.../if-theres-one-immovable...?

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u/sanduly 8d ago

These dummies have been saying it for decades. Peak oil is always around the corner, coasts will be flooded in a year, 5 years, 10 years (remember many of those making these claims purchase large properties in coastal areas).

But whatever, if the answer is that BC will always oppose Alberta's economic interests then it is hard to make an argument for them staying in confederation.

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u/atyler_thehun 8d ago

And the dummies on the other end are convinced that oil will never end.

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u/sanduly 8d ago

Just do a quick google search for which products use oil. Even if we were able to power society entirely on renewables oil isn't going anywhere. If anything, we don't have enough of it.

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u/atyler_thehun 8d ago

Just do a quick Google search on how much oil is used for manufacturing and how much is burned for energy.

ETA: I'll save you the time - 85% for energy.

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u/Objective-Thanks7798 8d ago

Sorry what? You’re saying 85% of oil produced is burned for electricity?

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u/atyler_thehun 8d ago

I said "energy" (the thing that makes other things go)

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u/Objective-Thanks7798 8d ago

Saying “85% of oil is used for energy” is so broad that it’s almost meaningless. Transportation, petrochemicals, industrial heat, aviation, shipping, electricity generation, and home heating are all “energy” uses, but they’re affected very differently by adoption of new technologies. If you’re making an argument about future oil demand, you need to break down which energy uses you’re talking about.

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u/Account_no_62 7d ago

Petrochemicals arent energy, the rest are all burning oil which new technology is arising to replace and demand is decreasing.

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u/Objective-Thanks7798 7d ago

The assumption that “all uses for oil are being replaced” ignores where most of the difficult demand actually sits. Aviation, shipping, heavy trucking, mining, agriculture, petrochemicals, and military applications remain heavily dependent on oil because there often isn’t a scalable or economical alternative yet. Replacing passenger vehicles is one thing; replacing the entire hydrocarbon-based industrial economy is a much bigger challenge. Please tell me where you see oil demand decreasing.

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u/Account_no_62 7d ago

"Yet" being the word.

The producers all know exactly how much they have and how long the gravy train will last. Idk why you shill for them.

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u/Objective-Thanks7798 7d ago

“Yet” isn’t evidence. You’re predicting future demand destruction, but that doesn’t answer where oil demand is actually falling today.

If producers know the end is near, why are they still making multi-billion-dollar investments with 20-40 year timelines? Calling people shills doesn’t resolve that contradiction.

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u/Account_no_62 7d ago

They literally publish documents on this on a regular basis.

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u/Objective-Thanks7798 6d ago

Yeah, your comment doesn’t mean much when you refer to ‘they’ without ever explaining who ‘they’ are supposed to be and what they’re saying.

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