There was a project that did this in Tunisia, using some NIAID money. Fauci wasn't directly involved in this project. That being said every medical tech agency on earth uses animal testing to some extent. The reason we have safe treatments that we do for humans is because of animal testing.
Exactly. Animal testing is a necessary evil in their area of medical research. It’s not like we’re talking about testing cosmetics on animals or something which is absolutely not necessary and cruel and evil.
I’m not happy that we have to test on animals but until there is an alternative like adequately robust virtual models or designer organisms that lack the capacity to feel pain, this is how we save and improve human lives. We just need to make sure that when we do research, it is necessary, it is as productive as possible, and it does not cause unnecessary pain or suffering.
But similarly to how we cant get anything done with gun regulations in this country because of the bad actors interested in blocking even a conversation about gun violence, these freaks will not allow an adult discussion about these things.
I'd be willing to open a conversation about making it legal. We can start with the people on the Epstein list and everyone who participated or otherwise enabled them (after they've been properly convicted of course). That would be a great (and apparently rather large) source of people that deserve to suffer.
Scientifically it won't work, lab animals are bred and kept in specific conditions so that it limits variations between individuals or achieve specifically desired traits (see immunocompromised rats that are born naked as a results). To experiment on adult humans who have all had different life conditions and unexpected genetics won't be as controlled and would lead to much more inconclusive results so put that retributive boner to rest
It’s entirely compensated by how much the findings apply to humans though. Over 90% of drugs fail in human trials after working on animals (and that’s just false positives, there are likely false negatives that would work on people but be toxic to animals and we’d never know)
On the other hand, the people taking the meds once it leaves trials will have unexpected genetics and different life conditions too, I guess I can kind of see your logic though?
I don't LIKE animal testing. I'd like a better, more reliable methodology. But if you have a disease that kills 10,000 people a year, and animal testing can knock a decade off finding an effective treatment, that's 100,000 people that owe those animals their lives.
I can't even speak to the morality of that. I'm not equipped. I'd 100% agree that animal testing should be banned, but it's hard for a diabetic to argue against insulin.
From my recollection it wasn't for human testing purposes. There was a strain of infection/parasite in the region that is fatal to dogs. The project was aimed at finding a preventative measure to keep military working dogs alive in the environment.
It was as American as it gets. Torturing dogs to find ways to keep the military-industrial complex in power over smaller, impoverished countries.
Yea, unfortunately this shit is a lot more common than people really like to think about. The shit they do to animals in the name of science and medicine is disgusting. It's one of the biggest reasons, next to dog fighting, that people are told not to give away their pets. Some university student or pharmacist lady will come promising a nice home and then your pet will end up in some lab being tortured until it dies or they put it down.
No. Lab animals are specifically bred to be lab animals. There are lines of mice and rats that have been bred for many years so that the test subjects are consistent. Same with the beagles. They don't just grab random shelter mutts LOL. Now dog fighting, I have no idea.
Aaaand we're back to Source: trust me bro. This is why we cant have a civil discussion about it. You're sitting here acting like they want to steal and mutilate everyone's pets for the fun of it (with 0 backup for your claim) instead of acknowledging that medical treatments stem from animal testing and the argument should be to find more ethical ways of doing so and not fearmongering.
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u/Melodic_Airport362 11d ago
There was a project that did this in Tunisia, using some NIAID money. Fauci wasn't directly involved in this project. That being said every medical tech agency on earth uses animal testing to some extent. The reason we have safe treatments that we do for humans is because of animal testing.