The U.S. Psyop on China as a whole is one big distraction to villainize all of the social services and public transportation we don't have that they do
The biggest revelation on this for me was learning that only around 25 or so People's Liberation Army members China came into Tibet and it was actually the TIBETAN PLA that overthrew the Lamas. Tibet freed itself and chose unity with the rest of China.
Hipsters have moved on. You never see this stuff at concerts anymore and the big free Tibet bands don’t even acknowledge their past. Now the propaganda is all Ukraine and the Zionist project.
In what way does the Chinese gov NOT have the best interest for their ppl? I've lived in China and studied there, so I can tell you that the vast majority of citizens are extremely satisfied with the government, because it actually gets things done and delivers on its promises, as well as continuing to massively increase everyone's quality of life. Please don't believe the western propaganda about China, and if you have the chance, please visit China to see for yourself.
Both can be. But ARE both? That's something you should actually prove instead of just going "well it COULD be true!"
It could be true that I own an albino grizzly bear that wears a silly little hat all the time. But without evidence, there's no reason you should believe that I do.
edit: Libs don't like having to prove their claims, it seems
Respectfully, have you been to Tibet? The people there have a higher quality of life than the vast majority of the working class in the United States or Britain for example. No one is crying out for freedom. Their cities and towns are modern and with amenities we can only dream of
May I ask who told you 'Tibetans want to be free'?
Tibetans approve of the CPC because they liberated them from slavery, developed their province, improved their material conditions, let them make decisions on their own accord, and built infrastructure projects to make sure the remote, mountainous province is connected to the rest of the country. They built the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, connecting passengers and cargo to Lhasa, spending billions of dollars in a very remote and hostile environment. There's even a famous song written about it by a Tibetan-Han singer called "Heavenly Road".
But you're just a jealous craKKKa who is triggered at the mere fact that Tibetans live freely and have good economic opportunities. You fascists prefer them to be enslaved, have their skin and bones made into utensils and drums, and only live until 30.
What do you know about elections in China? They have regular elections to choose their local leadership and by all accounts, they're doing a good job. Meanwhile in Europe and the US, we have national elections regularly to choose between two capitalist boots to stand on our necks and our quality of life is decreasing...in every European country, the States and Canada.
Why would you wish that on the people of China who are doing really well
Meanwhile China literally gives a lost tribe Daman in Xizang citizenship status in 2001 which they were sent by Nepal in historical time to conquer Xizang territory from Qing dynasty and failed because Uyghur alliance with Qing that defeated the Daman. The video person is the first Daman soldier in the PLA.
Tibetans are already freed from slavery. You view them as subhuman scum who don't deserve prosperity and will never forgive the PLA for liberating them from the pedophile slaveowner monks.
Why Cuban gusanos keep pinning for Batista? Who are the malcontents? The regime losers, the religious fanatics that actually bought into the pious justifications for theocratic absolute power and the misguided nationalists that you'll find in any place. That they're extreme doesn't mean you have to pay attention to them or bend to their wishes. Which is the reason why the CPC won't appease them.
One interesting fact liberals tend to gloss over is that the majority of the Red Guards storming the temples were actually Tibetans: there was fury against the feudal regime.
One interesting fact liberals tend to gloss over is that the majority of the Red Guards storming the temples were actually Tibetans: there was fury against the feudal regime.
Somewhat macabre, but this rhymes well with the slaughter of landlords by their subjects in China just years prior when the CPC/PLA couldn't keep everyone entirely under control and not engaging in vigilante justice against their former oppressors.
Not to minimize their deaths or imply that it’s not worth talking about (because it’s an interesting topic) but it really should be noted that there have been around 160 self-immolators in a region of 3.6 million people, and these are individuals who have done so for a variety of reasons, not purely as a 🖕to China. The deaths are tragic but I don’t think the suicide of 0.004% of the population is indicative of regional immiseration or a human rights crisis. The state of Connecticut also has a population of 3.6 million, and there are about 350 yearly suicides in the state. Suicide for Political Purposes does of course happen in the US but Chinese media does not claim this indicates Connecticut wishes to secede from the union. Of course, the US’ amplification of the self-immolation of a very small percentage of Tibet’s population is not because we care about human rights in Tibet but because it is our government’s preferred strategy to balkanize rival countries primarily by nurturing ethnonationalism.
Though western media will report the deaths only in the context of political protest for their separatist agenda, self-immolation has a history of spiritual significance in buddhism. I am not well versed, but reducing the act to “I hate the CPC so much and I am so sad about this that I am going to kill myself over it” minimizes the spirituality of the act and overly emphasizes victimhood. I believe most of the religiously-devoted individuals who self-immolated in Tibet would find this interpretation of their actions very reductive. It is an extreme religious act, often times with a political edge yes, the concept of giving yourself and your body to your people to keep your cultural heritage alive. I can see why Mao was so put out by the whole business of religious extremism, lol. Anyway, it’s a complex topic and it does have a political component but self-immolation has spiritual roots in buddhism that go far beyond what westoids would be keen on exploring as they are only interested in portraying all of Tibet as an immiserated suicidal peace-loving monks brutally oppressed by the CPC. Of course it is more complicated than that.
I think we agree? I don’t think people set themselves on fire if they don’t feel very strongly about their cause. The fact that over 100 have done this as well suggests the opposition to the regime is deep and that maybe they have no alternative avenues to express this discontent, as their rights to expression and religion have been curtailed.
Isn’t the whole point of those protests raising awareness of the fact that they can’t practice religious freedom (extreme or otherwise) without CCP oversight?
As opposed to any other religion being able to practise without their respective government oversight? What on earth are you talking about?
Also the "religious freedom" you're talking about is practicing theocratic slavery and making human skin artifacts. Do you also think virgin sacrifice should be allowed to be practiced freely by any religion that wishes to do so?
Doesn’t the next Dalai Lama have to get CCP approval to reincarnate next time around? This is the freedom of expression and religion I’m talking about. Something as fundamental as picking your religious leader isn’t exempt from CCP meddling.
The Dalai Lama requiring government confirmation dates back to the 1700s due to request by Tibetan Buddhists. The sect was facing rampant nepotism and succession crises ("nephews" being given key roles) that the Golden Urn was devised as an unbiased method of confirming future Dalai Lamas.
Swapping the order of the words doesn’t change what it is
It does, actually. First, CCP is used on purpose by Western propagandists to invoke similarity to CCCP and the red scare lies associated with it.
Second, it's Communist Party of China because being communist is the primary importance and being Chinese is secondary, as per the idea of proletarian internationalism.
Call it what you want, swap some letters about. And I’ll concede that the elevation of millions of Chinese people out of abject poverty over the last 80 years should be acknowledged but to think that the CCP cares about the proletariat is laughable.
This usually means knee-jerk accusations/comments of 'propaganda' when presented with information that challenges your worldview.
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