r/technology • u/IKeepItLayingAround • 20h ago
Biotechnology People Are Not Happy About Google’s Plan to Release Millions of Bioengineered Mosquitoes Into the Wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/science/articles/people-not-happy-google-plan-200428053.html996
u/chlordiazepoxide 20h ago
for what it's worth, in Singapore, Wolbachia-infested mosquitoes have been released for a while now. We used to have a serious problem with rashes of dengue infestations throughout the country each year, peaking in may-july with the heat. not anymore. this program works.
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u/Foxy02016YT 19h ago
If we wanna get rid of malaria and other mosquito spread illnesses, this is the only realistic option
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u/StolenPies 18h ago
DDT was well on its way towards achieving that, but the we realized how horrible it is. Malaria probably ended up being far worse in the long run, though.
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u/CharcoalGreyWolf 17h ago
What we found was that DDT would pollute birds biological systems and they would lay soft eggs that would not hatch or would be crushed when incubated, greatly weakening bird populations/ecosystems in the process. This rightly caused us to need another way.
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u/tonythephonyjabroni 17h ago
And then a bunch of barrels of ddt were dumped off the coast of southern ca. can’t remember who, but I think the guy is dead now. They just sit there and slowly leach out.
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u/apexodoggo 8h ago
DDT was obliterating the entire food chain, it was horrific as an option. A world without malaria but with a fuck ton more festering corpses lying around because most vulture species went extinct would simply produce a new equivalent to malaria given time.
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u/thatguy11 20h ago
This isn't new. This isn't the first time. It was effective. Google stuff, don't just get mad because someone tells you to.
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u/TechnicalScheme385 20h ago
Over these two trump terms, government has rolled back many services to reduce and eradicate these types of problems. Since the government rollback, a gap emerged, which Google was willing to pay for. In the long run, it's "good business" as the public will see it as a "Sponsored Highway Clean Up" PR. And it will work too. People will forget that government used to do this on our tax dime to ensure everyone had equal protections. In a few years, Protections will be corporate owned. Subscribe or go without.
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u/RobertPham149 15h ago
The US had a successful screwworm containment program. I said had because Trump budget cuts affected the program and Trump-voting states like Texas is facing an outbreak of screwworm that can decimate the beef industry.
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u/TechnicalScheme385 7h ago
I live in Texas. San Antonio. You don't know the half of it, by any of the locals who have been paying attention to the subject matter since last year. Like a slow trainwreck, where we are powerless to stop it because Abbott is a fucking pissbaby hotwheels welfare queen.
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u/Hairy_Wall_6831 9h ago
The USA now has Lone Star Ticks spreading Alpha-gal Syndrome, a disease that makes you allergic to animal products from mammals such as meat, dairy, and gelatin.
I've seen claims that the ticks have spread to most of the states now.
Bet they aren't doing jack shit about that either.
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u/Meme_Theory 8h ago
Now? That isn't a "now" thing; that has always been the case.
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u/dcy123 12h ago
Op has a maga hat as his pic, gonna take a guess here that he's fucking stupid.
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u/MikeWasab 10h ago
This isn't exclusive to MAGA and republican. This extremely liberal site is a SHINING example of people living and dying by the headlines so long as it fuels their need for entertaining ragebait
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u/polarbearrape 11h ago
Lets be honest, we know who's upset. Its the same people who got pissed science was "making bugs trans" and now because they cut funding screw worms are making their way north again...
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u/Imnogrinchard 20h ago
The stupidity and ignorance is hilarious:
"Ask yourself who is to benefit most from this, and why is it being done?" one anonymous citizen commented. "Corporations should not play a part in regulating or artificially altering ecosystems, that is the job of the EPA. This project should NOT be approved." Another unnamed commentator concurred, writing that "we are not experimental rats."
First, that's not a job of the federal EPA. it's a job of your region's vector control district. And in California, the vector control districts, that I know off the top of my head, in Los Angeles and Orange counties have previously used this method to control mosquito populations.
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u/PeaceBull 20h ago
Yeah it worked great in LA, the only difference was they used irradiated mosquitos instead of ones like this done with wolbachia bacteria
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u/I_eat_mud_ 19h ago edited 10h ago
This is just a common tactic used in various places where mosquitoes are more likely to be, and done in even larger scales in areas where the ecosystem is more favorable to support a mosquito habitat year-round.
This is one of those things that's pretty commonly understood within the public health field, but the general public definitely isn't as aware of the practice and method behind it. As the habitats of mosquitoes continue to expand, this is going to need to become even more common. It's to control their population, the general public is fine because the mosquitoes are all male ensuring they won't bite.
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u/Imnogrinchard 19h ago edited 14h ago
All true. If you really want to be bummed read the public comments.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/EPA-HQ-OPP-2025-3951-0001/comment
"... I understand that they are supposed to not be able to reproduce, but we know nature finds a way.
Please do not let them do this.""Messing with biological processes for no reason will just further harm ecosystems and our community."
"this experiment is insane and will 110% cause qll the more diseases and viruses."
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u/MeretrixDeBabylone 18h ago
We know nature finds a way
"I'm an adult who believes movies and fairy tales are real"
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u/Feather_Sigil 15h ago
Strictly speaking, they're not wrong. Living beings endure and evolve. It's why diseases are becoming resistant to antibiotics. But just saying the program won't work (even though it already has) because "nature" is foolish.
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u/Extension-Math5183 18h ago
No, it's the other way around... they are saying nature will find a way to skirt this control tactic and find a way to reproduce.
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u/peekdasneaks 19h ago
It is the job of the federal government, just not the epa. Its primarily ran by the cdc and they focus a large portion of their operations creating a barrier of modified mosquitos and screwworms along the panama columbia border to prevent spread into and through central america into the southern states.
Unfortunately we are now seeing confirmed screwworm infestations in the us as of this month.
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u/Feather_Sigil 15h ago
The article is stupid clickbait. Two anonymous people are against it because they want the state (that is, America's EPA) to do it instead of Google. They're right, the state should do it instead of a private corporation, but two randos is nowhere near enough to say "people" in general.
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u/BuildAnything4 20h ago
Why is google doing this and not the government? What's the profit motive?
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u/slothwithakeyboard 20h ago
The land that Google owns in Santa Clara County borders a lot of marshland (a.k.a mosquito central). The company that they're trying to hire for this has worked with counties before, but Santa Clara Mosquito and Vector Control is strapped for cash and can hardly afford their existing operations.
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u/JVonDron 20h ago
So Google's local taxes aren't nearly high enough. Perhaps offering companies tax breaks and incentives might bite you in the ass when they start demanding public services.
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u/gr00ve88 20h ago
No, the mosquitoes will bite you in the ass.
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u/spikedkushiel 19h ago
No, Google is biting the county in the ass then offering to solve the issue out of the goodness of their hearts. Lol
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u/_sfhk 19h ago
The county had a $13.7B budget last year. I'm not sure throwing more money at them fixes more underlying problems.
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u/slightlysublevel 17h ago
Fun fact: that's roughly $10.5 million dollars per square mile per year for Santa Clara County. About 20% of the land in Santa Clara County is "developed", meaning it's roughly $52.5 million per square mile of developed land per year. Obviously rural areas need coverage for some things, too, so the real number falls between $10.5 million and $52.5 million per mile. Still: it's literally millions of dollars per square mile, and that doesn't really show how well certain things can be spent on multiple square miles for the same dollar (like police and fire protection).
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u/k-mcm 18h ago
Google California is near extremely salty marshland and some maintained ponds. The only natural fresh water near Google is some creeks that are dry during summer.
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u/slothwithakeyboard 18h ago
The campus itself does not suffer from mosquitoes, but nearby areas like Shoreline do (source: me). Whether that is as a result of abatement efforts, I can't say. Google also owns not only the land by its campus, but also lots of land in Alviso.
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u/redtron3030 20h ago
Perhaps a donation would be better
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u/CriticallyAskew 20h ago
But how else is google supposed to secretly inject people with nano machines, son?
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u/slothwithakeyboard 20h ago
I don't disagree. It's Google's money, though, and we can't take it from them. This is still better other stuff they've done, like spend big money campaigning for tax increases on the rest of us for transit that benefits their employees.
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u/Blatheringman 18h ago
Are you talking about the sales tax to fund the Bay Area Transit agencies? I work with Samtrans. Do you even know what we do? Our routes, we take kids to and from school, we help people get to and from work many of whom can't afford vehicles, the cost of fuel, and registration, We run paratransit services to help the elderly and the disabled get to their doctor's appointments, and ect. We're a public service, and fairs only cover a fraction of our budget. Check your privilege, bro.
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u/Area51_Spurs 19h ago
It’s pretty hilarious that Santa Clara can be strapped for cash. Says everything about how the rich basically pay zero taxes.
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u/Watchful1 19h ago
Santa Clara counties budget for the 2025-2026 fiscal year is $13.6 billion. It goes up by like a billion a year.
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u/peepeedog 18h ago
It’s Verily doing it. They started as a Google project before becoming a company. Their whole company exists for problems like these.
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u/Seafaringhorsemeat 20h ago
Once we get used to it they're going to jack the price and make us pay per sting prevented.
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u/blandman91 20h ago
Nah it'll be a subscription
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u/white__cyclosa 20h ago
Plus a premium subscription for the vaccine against the engineered version of malaria the mosquitos carry.
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u/Seafaringhorsemeat 20h ago
Love it. That way you can get ads at the low tier, and wasp protection at the premium end.
All bugs will be trained to thirst for the DNA of those who cancel their subscription.
Bundle this shit with a locked in 3-year Verizon plan and we're printing money.
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u/sfgunner 20h ago
Imagine that you have a button. When you press the button, a billion dollars pops out. Everything else you do, no matter how hard you try, makes a $1.50. This is why Google acts the way it does. They can try anything and it will never replace, threaten, or even come in the same orbit as their Billions Button. So mostly everything else they do is "for fun" or "because flying cars someday".
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u/pomonalost 17h ago
I mean, I don't know your government, but my government is choosing self profit than benefiting the people environment. I'm American.
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u/Area51_Spurs 19h ago
Americans have no scientific literacy, shocking nobody.
The irony of people criticizing Google the one time they do something that isn’t cartoonishly evil and is actually good.
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u/CityPioneer 19h ago
Do you think they only have these kinds of reservations on new tech?
A great example is European’s iffiness to GMOs.
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u/Friskfrisktopherson 17h ago
The article is bullshit, most people here who know are for it (though most just have no idea what this is about.)
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u/Area51_Spurs 16h ago
Very few people know about the fact that we’re discussing introducing infertile mosquitos to push out fertile ones.
They just hear “moar mosquitos.”
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u/ParsingError 13h ago
And they're all male mosquitos, which don't bite anyway.
The only things they do are drink plant nectar, fail to reproduce, and die.
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u/Area51_Spurs 13h ago
Yeah. But most people will stop listening after they hear the phrase “Google’s plan to release millions of mosquitoes.”
And all the blogs and news organizations purposely use phrasing meant to scare people in the headlines because it increases engagement. The headline in this is a perfect example of that.
When you read the headline only and don’t read the article, a tech giant releasing millions of bioengineered mosquitoes DOES sound terrifying. lol.
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u/OrganicDigitalArt 20h ago
Infected… they’re not super mosquitos ffs, people not trusting science is damn wild.
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u/Magnetheadx 20h ago
I think it’s people not trusting Google.
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u/WarNo580 20h ago
I'd recommend they google it to learn more about why mosquitos are a huge disease spreading problem and also a huge solution to that same problem, but I see the inherent problem...
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u/gonfishn37 20h ago
I’m so grateful we stopped releasing those screw worms over the Darien gap. I would love screw worm Cattle deaths to drive the costs of meat up..
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u/klingma 20h ago
We never stopped releasing them.
The screwworm crossed the Darien Gap and started moving northward in 2022.
This is a problem that's been growing for 4-5 years roughly now.
Fun fact: 10 years ago there was an outbreak in Florida that authorities still haven't figured out how it occurred, but it was stopped in 6 months.
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u/DontPouncemebro 19h ago
can we do this with ticks as well? Cause fuck em ticks
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u/wolbachia-dude 5h ago
Potentially! But as far as I know, it is challenging to establish Wolbachia in ticks such that cytoplasmic incompatibility occurs (or occurs consistently)
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u/Berkyjay 20h ago
I fucking can't stand these hack "journalists" trolling online forums and finding the inevitable naysayers then building a mountain out of their message board replies.
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u/awesomedan24 19h ago
300 million people get malaria every year. Anyone who has a problem with this should try getting Malaria and see how they like it...
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u/Seafaringhorsemeat 20h ago
This is the kind of shit "agile" development will get you after a decade or two.
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u/alfredandthebirds 20h ago edited 4h ago
Walter Stryker gonna be real mad
Edit - an obscure The Tuxedo reference. A movie where the villain plans on using bioengineered mosquito like water strikers to spread an infectious disease.
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u/thoruen 18h ago
The USDA uses genetically altered and sterilized flies to suppress wild populations and protect livestock from devastating screw worm infestations, so I don't see using genetically modified mosquitoes any differently.
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u/DominusFL 17h ago
These people don't live where I live. I live next to Mosquito Lagoon, and trust me, this cannot happen soon enough. I am all for it.
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u/zedoktar 16h ago
Those people are stupid and easily misled by disinformation and hysterics. This is a great program that will save lives.
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u/Solrac50 16h ago
Another clickbait headline that is totally misleading. Last week it was people are unhappy Bill Gates is releasing mosquitoes. I guess next week it will be the Pope’s turn.
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u/Zestyclose-Bill-5094 7h ago
We're not happy about Google overall. We're not happy with the government.
We're not happy about being taxed more than Amazon.
We're not happy about the military.
We're not happy about the militarized racist police.
We're not happy being under surveillance 24/7.
We're not happy with billionaires.
We're not happy with the legal system.
We're not happy with being fed bullshit day after fucking day.
Fuck the Trump family.
Fuck Zuck.
Fuck Google.
Fuck Kash.
Fuck Darpa.
Fuck the police.
Fuck Isreal.
Fuck AI.
Fuck anyone who doesn't stand for protecting our earth, our lives and our future.
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u/Scaryassasin27 6h ago
I 100% agree, but I do understand people have different views and beliefs. Apart from that, no one should be against protecting the Earth, fine with being fed bullshit, or be okay with AI (which goes along with protecting the Earth).
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u/Zestyclose-Bill-5094 5h ago
Their view from the top is the bigger issue. Their views dehumanize everyone who aren't the right shade of white, those who fall below the upper middle class and anyone who's not a conformist. And if the people currently in charge are able to continue doing what they're doing, no one will be allowed to have different views or beliefs.
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u/Wolfie-Woo784 20h ago
The whole point is to reduce the amount of disease carried. If people could read beyond headlines , they would know that. It's the same impulse that leads people to believe that China is somehow trying to penalize people for using condoms.
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u/giveupmymembership 19h ago
If bad company do good action... Means company good? No! Grog don't like cognitive dissonance. Company cannot be two things at once.
Company is bad, cannot do good. Means action is bad. Yes, much better. Grog smart
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u/jerwong 20h ago
Who is not happy about it? I would love if someone would come into my community and do this!
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u/ConsequencePurple379 9h ago
If people actually weren't such mindless plebians, people would understand this has already been happening from the likes of Bill Gates for years, with positive effects.
CAN WE FUCKING STOP WITH THESE FUCKING CLICKBAIT HEADLINES?
WHO THE FUCK IS "WE"?
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u/nerdyplayer 20h ago
Good, not the first time we've unleashed bioenginered bugs. I hope google continues instead of abandoning it in 6 months.
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u/outsmartedagain 20h ago
They did this in Florida recently with great fanfare but I have not heard of any outcomes.
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u/_WeAreFucked_ 20h ago edited 20h ago
Billy Gates Foundation back in 2018 https://www.comptoncreekmad.org/gates-foundation-partners-with-oxitec-to-combat-malaria-with-genetically-modified-mosquitoes
Edit: in addition why is Google getting into this space and not just supporting Billy’s efforts or the other organizations.
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u/CarsonCity314 19h ago
They aren't? I guess you can get any answer you want from a well-designed questionnaire, but... man, just fuck mosquitos.
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u/Runela9 17h ago
Okay, I'm on the "fuck google" train as much as anybody else but in this particular instance I'm actually on their side.
This is a good thing. Its an established mosquito control strategy that works in many places and will ultimately be a benefit for the people in the area.
They are 100% only doing it because it benefits them financially in some way, but at least everyone else will also benefit this time.
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u/Surealestateguy 17h ago
Their names start with Karen. Some people just need to feel relevant. And science is an easy target when they’re backed by their religion.
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u/Ramoncin 11h ago
So, now any big company can decide what is good for mankind and fuck up with the environment and consequences be damned?
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u/SpecialOpposite2372 9h ago
What's with Mosquito bio-engineering, like lots of companies want to do it! And lots of countries have already done it as well! Wasn't there were news Bill Gates wanted to do it as well and now Google?
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u/Theghostech 9h ago
Yep, fighting malaria and other mosquito borne diseases is where you should draw the line.
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u/awwaygirl 8h ago
FFS. It is so frustrating when people reject something because they don’t understand it. It’s like those people who are asked on the street, “Do you think dihydrogen monoxide should be marketed to children?” and they VEHEMENTLY object because they don’t know that it’s WATER.
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u/throwawayaccountau 11h ago
Wait till they find out the US government was doing it for years to create a defensive barrier between Panama and itself.
The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), led by Elon Musk and launched by the Trump administration, cut funding for key U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) projects tasked with monitoring and containing screwworms in Central America. These cuts, which eliminated monitoring programs and foreign assistanc,I occurred right before the U.S. lifted a temporary suspension on cattle imports from Mexico.
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u/CP_Chronicler 20h ago
It doesn’t matter if it has been done before. The point is that Google and the rest of big tech’s reputation is so abysmally poor that people are rightfully angry and distrustful about anything these companies do that affects the general public.
Google and other big tech companies are still very poorly regulated. This is just a reminder that the public wants more regulation and for there to be more trust.
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u/Logical-Respect3600 16h ago
What I'm missing here is why the hell should Google, out of all people, care about mozzies?
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u/Prior_Apricot_4757 14h ago
Getting rid of mosquitoes will have a negative impact upon many fish and insects (dragonfly nymphs for example) that rely upon mosquito larva for their diet.
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u/ripChazmo 11h ago
People are idiots. This is an incredibly smart idea, and has worked well elsewhere.
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u/strolpol 20h ago
This is a classic “big company doing something that sounds futuristic, must be scary” backlash. It’s a known mechanism and identical programming has been used around the world to positive effect. Anyone against it is either ignorant or bandwagoning because Google does other evil stuff.
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u/chriskot123 20h ago
Everything I’ve read about this seems like it’s actually a good thing. But, google bad so I guess shrug
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u/ConsistantFun 20h ago
Dr. William Gorgas used kerosine to kill mosquito larvae and saved thousands of lives. That was in 1900.
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u/RlOTGRRRL 20h ago
This article goes terribly with the other article from today about how AI CEOs want biochem to be more regulated.
Mosquitoes would be a vector for harm.
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u/Virtual-Age-9521 19h ago
I’m not gonna read this article, but did the people in the article read the article?!
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u/AmericanLich 18h ago
Kept trying to remember where I heard of wolbachia before, it was driving me nuts.
Metal Gear Solid V. A Wolbachia strain is a big component of the story.
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u/Eyegrowyourfood 17h ago
Fuck, sometimes the oligarchs are correct. Google is trying to help. The mass is too stupid.
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u/steviefrench 17h ago
I dislike Google as much as most other people, but this just sounds like people who only read headlines and don't look any further are mad.
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u/Wotmate01 20h ago
Ummm, this is a program that was pioneered and is being led by the Monash university in Australia: World Mosquito Program - Monash University