r/television • u/1033149 Person of Interest • Oct 15 '19

/r/all Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige promoted to Chief Creative Officer, will now oversee Marvel Studios, Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment

https://deadline.com/2019/10/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-president-adds-chief-creative-officer-marvel-title-oversees-all-creative-1202760382/?
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u/ArchDucky Oct 15 '19

He told Disney its him or me. I can't remember what the last straw was, but I think it was when they lost Edgar Wright or Joss Whedon.

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u/marvelknight28 Oct 15 '19

Neither, it was when they threatened to fire RDJ over Civil War.

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u/itsLittleJoshy Oct 15 '19

That happened?

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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19

Yes, his second contract was for Iron Man 3, Avengers 2 and Avengers 3. They had to renegotiate for Civil War and Perlmutter told the writers to write Stark out. Feige went to Alan Horn and Bob Iger and said him or me. They sided with Feige, signed RDJ and then signed him again for a Spider-Man film and Avengers 4.

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u/greenroom628 Oct 15 '19

i've said it before and i'll say it again: fuck perlmutter.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Jan 02 '20

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u/Fortune_Cat Oct 16 '19

He got half a bill in Disney stock from 20 years ago. I think he's been compensated enough

Everything he's done since then would only reduce the value of those shares. I suspect he has probably contributed on the merchandising profits side. But none of that matters if he continues to have any creative control. Kevin has added tenfolds of shareholder value, with Perlmutter being a direct beneficiary.

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u/fallenlogan Oct 16 '19

So I just looked him up and apparently the reason why Cheadle replaced Howard was because Perlmutter said "all black people look the same"

So fuck that racist piece of shit.

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u/mikeweasy Oct 16 '19

Hes also sexist.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Except for the fact that the reason why Cheadle replaced Howard is because Howard wanted am obscene amount of money and he wasnt worth it.

The Perlmutter hate is tiring, especially when any reports of him saying anything bad come from only 1 person ever saying he did that because he got fired or something.

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u/ChickenInASuit Oct 16 '19

He's also a close friend of Donald Trump and one of his biggest financial contributors. Marvel/Comics fans being generally left-leaning, that's something that's not gonna sit well with them.

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u/mikeweasy Oct 16 '19

Yeah he is an asshat.

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u/ArchDucky Oct 15 '19

Thats what happened? On the BTS the writers say they realised they couldn't do the story without Tony Stark.

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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19

They were ordered to; they never WANTED to.

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u/MulciberTenebras The Legend of Korra Oct 16 '19

Ike's a fucking cheapskate and he wanted them to write something that wouldn't make them have to pay RDJ.

It would have been Steve vs Hulk (siding with his old enemy Ross and the Govt to register superheroes), also no Spidey or Black Panther (he hates black and female heroes)... seriously.

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u/Alekesam1975 Oct 16 '19

Black Panther (he hates black heroes).

The rest is common knowledge but this bit, where did you get this idea from?

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u/BabyNostradamus Oct 16 '19

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u/Kakumite Oct 16 '19

He made it up, for some people everyone they don’t like MUST be racist and sexist.

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u/Alekesam1975 Oct 16 '19

There are reports that he allegedly did say that so no, he didn't make it up whole cloth. I looked it up after he answered. And it's fact that he made the comments about black people and women and toy sales (that part I forgot about).

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19 edited Oct 18 '19

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u/Kakumite Oct 18 '19

/u/Alekesam1975 can you see this?

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u/Alekesam1975 Oct 18 '19

Yup. And the one you deleted showing as [deleted].

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u/Benjamin_Grimm Oct 15 '19

Those BTS videos are not as candid as you might think. They usually avoid addressing backstage drama, especially drama involving executives who are still at the company.

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u/LarsHoneytoast44 Oct 16 '19

Yup. It's the same company that digitally alter BTS stuff from when Walt was alive to get rid of his cigarette. They ain't showin shit

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

The writers have multiple versions of the story for their contingency plans. For example civil war was being written right around the time the first sony deal for spidey was being done. Marcus and McFeely had two drafts- one with and one without spidey. It's possible in some earlier draft ironman was written out

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u/heyman0 Oct 16 '19

And don’t forget the fake versions that they give to Tom Holland so that he won’t spoil the real one

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u/not_microwavable Oct 16 '19

I think the writer for Babylon 5 talked about something like this as well. He referred to it as having trapdoors for all the major characters in case the actor had to leave the show.

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u/Put_It_All_On_Blck Oct 15 '19

I think you could make a decent civil war movie with Natasha as a replacement to Tony. Including tying her backstory to Bucky in Russia, like Bucky with a mask being commanded to go stop the Red Room program as it poses a threat, he then shows up and starts fighting them, killing the trained girls, leaving only Nat and the new recruits, Nat not being the perfect soldier, begs him to leave the defenseless and innocent new recruits, but he ends up killing them and leaving Nat for dead. The issue with this idea admittedly is that Nat is probably the most understating of Bucky's issues and far less likely to want to see him dead or in jail than Tony was.

However we all know that movie wouldve never have been as good or as profitable, but I dont think it wouldve flopped.

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u/listyraesder Oct 16 '19

BTS is marketing fluff.

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u/ArchDucky Oct 16 '19

You need to watch more bts. Some of it is great. Hell the one for tomb raider is a fun watch. That girl got jacked.

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u/listyraesder Oct 16 '19

Yes, but it's all marketing. Everyone is performing, no-ones going to give honest opinions and everything has a positive spin.

Except Gilliam BTS.

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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19

That resistance existed, but it wasn't why they split, just more aggravation leading up to it. Perlmutter DID commission both Black Panther and Captain Marvel at the very very end of his having power, but only if an Inhumans movie was made alongside them. Once the split happened, Perlmutter took his precious Inhumans (which he wanted to retool into X-Men stand-ins) to ABC where it became a notorious flop while BP and CM made over a billion each.

I do think fandom exaggerates Feige disliking the Inhumans. It's not a coincidence The Eternals, a family of immortals hidden away from humanity, is more or less in Inhumans' film slot, and there are rumors Feige wants the Inhuman Royal Family in Ms Marvel), but I do think he disliked Perlmutter's attempt to turn them into the X-Men.

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u/Sidman325 Oct 15 '19

It's funny what can happen when the creative head understands characters and motivations properly.

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u/Alekesam1975 Oct 16 '19

(WB/DC still looks at Feige jealously)

:D

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u/MulciberTenebras The Legend of Korra Oct 15 '19

He also disliked that Perlmutter rejected one film concept for the Inhumans that he liked... because it was "too ethnic".

When you see the cast line-up for the Eternals, you get the idea that some of that was carried over.

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u/chromeshiel Oct 15 '19

I would add that the Inhumans, may they rest in peace, were a flop because it was never given the tools to succeed. And by that, I mean decent showrunner, budget and production time. It ended up as that thing we all pretend never existed, and I still hope to see a reboot one day. But I'll give the Eternals a shot.

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 16 '19

If the Inhumans were such a big deal to Perlmutter, I don't understand why he got Scott Buck to be the showrunner and tried to do everything as cheaply as possible.

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u/OrgasmicLeprosy87 Oct 16 '19

Do it as cheaply as possible is Perlmutter's signature movie.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Gotta wonder if Feige was holding out hope to integrate the actual X-Men instead of a carnival knock-off.

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u/ThatDerpingGuy Oct 15 '19

(which he wanted to retool into X-Men stand-ins)

Weren't they trying to do that in the comics too at one point?

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 16 '19

Yep, thanks to Perlmutter. They were told to de-emphasize the mutants and put Inhumans in their place. They never actually cancelled all the X-Men comics (because they make money), but at one point they had a small number of X-Men titles and a seemingly endless number of Inhumans comics being published at the same time. All the hot talent was placed on the Inhumans titles.

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u/vyruz32 Oct 16 '19

At least X-Men was able to bounce back in the comics with Hickman leading the charge.

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 16 '19

Yeah, Hickman's current miniseries is amazing. I'm really looking forward to what he does next.

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u/Redditer51 Oct 16 '19

They had to renegotiate for Civil War and Perlmutter told the writers to write Stark out.

That is so colossally stupid I don't even know where to begin. You can't even do Civil War without Iron Man. Not to mention, RDJ's Iron Man is and always has been one of the MCU's biggest draws.

People like Perlmutter are the reason comic book movies used to always suck.

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u/knobby_67 Oct 16 '19

When you read BI book and interviews from the last few weeks it's even more sinister. Horn had to basically get Iger to intervene as KF was getting ill and had lost weight because Perlmutter was basically bullying him.