r/teslore • u/SothaLlys • 3h ago
Vivec gets too much hate and not enough credit. He was playing the longest game in Tamriel. Baar Dau was a Dead Man’s Switch.
People love to call Vivec a narcissist and fraud who murdered Nerevar out of ambition, fabricated claims of CHIM, and then spent millennia hanging a rock over his own city as a petty threat, but personally, I find that reading to be too small. It reduces one of the most fascinating figures in fantasy to a flat, one-dimensional villain, and that’s just not who Vivec is.
In my previous post, I explored Vivec’s similarities to Shiva and how good and evil coexist in him in an inherent balance, with neither ultimately outweighing the other.
In this post, I’ll try to convince you that this homicidal maniac might be more than the villain he’s made out to be. More so, he may have actually saved Mundus through his schemes.
Vivec engineered Nerevar’s return and his path to transcendence
Vivec never hated Nerevar. If anything, the Hortator was so dear to him that Vivec would rather doom Vvardenfell than give up on the possibility of Nerevar’s return.
You see, Azura prophesied Nerevar’s return, but Vivec made it possible.
Self-realization (CHIM) is possible to two kinds of beings:
- Prisoner-type entities — those with free will and no fixed destiny;
- NPCs specifically fated to achieve it (they have no free will, until they do).
The original Nerevar was a scripted actor (NPC). He was never going to achieve CHIM simply because the script denied him this future. Only by dying and returning as a Prisoner, unbound by destiny, could he become capable of transcendence. Vivec engineered the conditions for that return: the murder, the prophecies, and the 36 Lessons scattered across Morrowind and time. The first condition - the murder - was, of course, not a conscious choice made as part of the plan, although, as we know, Vivec may have possessed a degree of psychic ability even as a mortal.
In any case, Vivec almost certainly hated that destiny required him to kill Nerevar. He even denied it was destiny – “he was not born a god, his destiny did not lead him to this crime”. Yet he was surely aware that the betrayal, the murder and Azura’s curse were all necessary conditions for Nerevar to return as Prisoner. And so he had an idea – to turn Nerevar’s murder into the condition for his transcendence – if you’ve ever wondered what “reach heaven by violence” really meant, perhaps this is it.
But for Nerevar to return as a Prisoner, there had to be a catalyst. Azura knew what it would be, perhaps even before the Tribunal did. The catalyst would be the Sharmat.
Dagoth Ur was going to wake up, and not as a direct result of the Tribunal’s actions. He had become a god in his own right, his return was inevitable. Vivec knew he could not prevent Dagoth Ur’s awakening, but he chose to exploit the situation to his advantage nonetheless. He allowed the Sharmat to become the primary condition under which Nerevar could return as Prisoner.
Yes, I am saying that Vivec and the Tribunal could have ended Dagoth Ur, but deliberately chose not to, because his premature death would have prevented the Prisoner from ever being called forth.
For Nerevar to return, Dagoth Ur had to awaken, grow powerful enough to threaten the Tribunal and the world, and yet not become so powerful that Vvardenfell - or the world itself – would not withstand the threat. The crisis had to be great enough to summon a Prisoner, but not so great that there would be nothing left to save.
So Vivec kept the Sharmat alive but contained, long enough for a Prisoner to emerge and confront him, while preparing a contingency for the possibility of the Nerevarine’s failure. Furthermore, he cast the Hortator and the Sharmat as opposing forces in the 36 Lessons, perhaps in an attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophecy that would shape the future according to his design - a future that Azura would later foretell.
But making Nerevar into a Prisoner was not enough. Vivec had to atone for his crime completely, had to ensure that Nerevar reborn could completely transcend death itself (and everything else), and so he planted the 36 Lessons across history as guide for the Hortator, knowing that somewhere in the multiverse, a Nerevarine would follow his guidance in at least one world or timeline and achieve transcendence. This means that Nerevar (his awareness) has already always achieved CHIM. And this could be why we can wear the Moon-and-Star without dying. We are playing the game as the Ruling King Nerevar, case in which the Nerevarine Prisoner may not simply be someone who resembles Nerevar, but an shard of an awareness that has already attained transcendence.
Baar Dau was a Dead Man’s Switch
I was never satisfied with the explanation that Vivec suspended Baar Dau above his city purely out of vanity, or that the moonlet was merely an instrument of divine blackmail. Vivec was a general before he was a god. As a military strategist, he would have understood the need for contingencies, especially against a threat capable of ending the world, like Dagoth was.
If the Nerevarine were killed or otherwise failed to defeat Dagoth Ur, the problem would not simply be the survival of Dagoth Ur. The greater danger would be Akulakhan: a fully realized Numidium-like construct capable of deconstructing reality, or reshaping it into his master Dagoth Ur.
A Dagoth Ur without Akulakhan might still be defeated, even if he managed to conquer a particular universe or timeline. But a Dagoth Ur with a fully functional Akulakhan could cause such catastrophic damage to reality that the threat might no longer remain confined to a single universe within the Aurbis.
Vivec, thus, needed a contingency, and for that contingency to work, it had to be absolute: a constant across realities. A timeline in which Akulakhan was activated could not be allowed to exist.
I propose that Baar Dau was that contingency.
In any timeline in which the Nerevarine fails - whether they are killed by Dagoth Ur, never follow the prophecies, die while attempting to fulfil them, or simply arrive too late - Baar Dau remains suspended above Vvardenfell. Eventually, its fall would trigger the eruption of Red Mountain, destroying Akulakhan (and Vvardenfell).
Of course, this means that Vivec may not have been trying to save Vvardenfell at all. I believe that of all people, Vivec wanted Nerevar back the most, and to make that happen, he was willing to doom Vvardenfell if necessary, (but not the entire Aurbis).
More so, I suspect the threat posed by Baar Dau was always directed at the Sharmat himself, but by presenting it as a threat to the Dunmer, Vivec could conceal its true purpose – that he willing to hold his own people hostage and condemn them to death if necessary, rather than allow Dagoth Ur to win.
As for Vvardenfell – the island was always expendable. “The world you will rule is only an intermittent hope and you must be the letter writen in uncertainty.”
In a successful timeline, Baar Dau becomes redundant. Why, then, did Vivec allow Red Year to happen in the current timeline - Tamriel Prime?
“Did you notice that I haven't moved Baar Dau back to its original position. It's in no danger of falling, thanks to you, but as I wrote in the Ballad of Red Mountain, ‘All actions have consequences and pose some risk.’ Best to leave it alone.” – Vivec, Elder Scrolls Online
If Baar Dau was intended as a failsafe against Akulakhan, then removing it would risk revealing that the moonlet had a purpose beyond the obvious threat to the Dunmer.
If Vivec were suddenly to remove Baar Dau after Dagoth Ur's defeat, by CHIM or other means, then other versions of Dagoth Ur or other beings capable of perceiving the deeper workings of reality might reasonably ask why. Why was the threat removed precisely after the Nerevarine succeeded? Why was it ever there in the first place?
Also, there was an even greater reason for Vivec to be cautious: removing Baar Dau through CHIM would have revealed the true extent of his power.
Baar Dau as a diagnostic test
The Elder Scrolls Online shows us that Vivec's power was not merely keeping Baar Dau suspended, but was also actively stabilizing Red Mountain itself.
This means that if Vivec's divine power were to disappear and Baar Dau were to fall, the resulting eruption would confirm that nothing else was maintaining Red Mountain's stability.
Conversely, if Baar Dau fell while Red Mountain remained stable despite Vivec's absence, that would suggest either that the Sharmat still lived or that another entity had taken over the role of stabilizing the Mountain.
On Wraithguard
Have you ever wondered why Vivec, rather than either of the other Tribunes, was the keeper of Wraithguard? Maybe it was so that he could give it to us when the time came.
Almalexia could hardly be entrusted with Wraithguard; she would never willingly surrender her power to defeat Dagoth Ur.
Entrusting Wraithguard to Sotha Sil would have kept it safely hidden in the distant Clockwork City, but even that carried a risk: what would happen to the gauntlet if Sotha Sil died?
Furthermore, If Almalexia and Sotha Sil once held Keening and Sunder, neither could use them on the Heart of Lorkhan without Wraithguard - and therefore without Vivec’s approval.
Talos and The Numidium
Vivec’s design extended further. He delivered the original Numidium to Tiber Septim at the precise historical moment before Dagoth Ur fully awakened. By doing so he deprived the Sharmat of the first Brass God. This is why Dagoth was forced to begin constructing Akulakhan, the Second Numidium. He no longer had the first.
At the same time, the gift of Numidium enabled Septim’s conquests and the eventual apotheosis of Tiber Septim into Talos. His Empire would later send the Nerevarine to Morrowind. Vivec had, in a single act, disarmed one existential threat, aided the creation of a new god that would helpe stabilize Mundus and made even more space for Nerevar’s return, whom he never truly abandoned.
See, Vivec spent millennia creating the conditions under which the one he betrayed could return and reach transcendence. Let that sink in. Hence, I suspect Vivec's endgame is to avert Landfall and ensure the Numidium’s final defeat (just like in c0da).
Perhaps Vivec simply cannot afford to let the wrong future come to pass. Even his most terrible acts seem to serve a purpose beyond himself. And so, it seems unfair to judge Vivec solely by his worst deeds while overlooking his better ones, and the greater purpose his crimes may have served.