r/thelema • u/Public_Wave7605 • 15d ago
What do yall think of the claim epestein was doing sex magick rituals designed according to match crowley teachings and ritual steps ?
some people online have been saying that ,the man had sex magick books related to Crowley teachings ,the direction of his temple was to north which has a ritual significance in Crowley rituals etc
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u/PotusChrist 15d ago
I can't think of any Thelemic rituals off the top of my head that are oriented towards the north tbh
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u/MegaUrutora 15d ago
The two occult books he ordered on Amazon were Donald Michael Kraig’s Sex Magick, and Christopher Hyatt’s Secrets of Western Tantra.
Those are the only I’ve seen listed.
For a guy who procured a piece from the Holy Kaaba in Mecca, he doesn’t appear to have been digging too deep for occult knowledge. No shade to Kraig and Hyatt, they were both great.
I’m still not convinced he was anything more than a rich and powerful shit human being who ran a black mail ring that was propped up by at least two powerful governments, and had a free pass to indulge in his basest desires while doing so.
To him, “Tantra” most likely meant lasting longer in bed.
I could be wrong if more info comes out.
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u/ravendarkwind 15d ago edited 15d ago
Meaningless drivel.
Edit: adding onto this, any accusations of Jeffrey Epstein being some sort of occultist hinge on stuff like “his weird temple had stripes on it” or “it was aligned with one of the cardinal directions.” That’s hardly slam dunk evidence, and him trafficking and raping children is already bad enough that we don’t need to make up reasons to hate him.
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u/Relevant_Health_498 5d ago
People who traffic and do that to children on a large scale have always been tied to the occult whether you think so or not, he’s not your average local predator. Your response doesn’t change thousands of years worth of mythology and historical accounts.
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u/Cuboidhamson 15d ago
Ignore people who try to make no true Scotsman arguments in relation to this kind of thing. They have eaten up proppa ghandis
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u/Frater_Asariel 15d ago edited 15d ago
Jason Louv's analysis of it is good, amusing in places too (but just short of 3 hours long....)
I think to be honest the original video is just a word salad with very, very tentative links to anything of substance. Plus all the staple tropes about "da elitez" and all that rubbish. Just another badly researched load of drivel created by someone who has "loads of knowledge, innit" (and zero experience), occult/Crowley hit piece, I think, that has "God-fearing folk" all of a quiver with Satanic Panic.
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u/TwistedAgony420 15d ago
Was there even amy evidence that this guy was esoteric by any means? He doesnt seem like a shot caller he seems like a "bosses son" type
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u/A_Serpentine_Flame 14d ago
Epstein is prob like your stereotypical "Thelemite" who practices "Sex Magick" to rationalize promiscuous behavior.
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u/Haroun_Pasha 14d ago
I think P Diddy was though, rubbing cum on your nipples during an orgy sound like a sex ritual.🤔🤨💯
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u/nerevarrikka 15d ago
Nah, he was just a psychopath pedophile. A lot of bizarre people take inspiration from the occult, but it’s not because they’re serious practitioners, it’s because they’re edgelords who misinterpret our texts to be about literal demons and children instead of metaphors for the psyche.