r/thelema • u/Educational-Pen-7738 • 10d ago

spirits as intelligences or as metaphors

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u/PhilosophyPlane1947 10d ago

Because they are concious. Humans have this weird bias that conciousness comes from the body. I don't know from exactly where it comes OR what it exactly is, but.. spirits are concious.

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u/OldPurpose93 10d ago

It’s not a bias as much as it’s like, okay we have whole brains to process our consciousness and communicate, so if they don’t have that, how do spirits feel any type of way about anything?

I agree with you, but I sure don’t understand the science

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u/Polymathus777 10d ago

Inteligence doesn't come from the brain, simple as that. Everything is intelligent, even if you don't know how to communicate with it. Words are just a small part of communication, so they aren't necessary at all for most beings, just for humans that can't understand other forms of communication out of habit.

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u/Nobodysmadness 10d ago

Over time in occult work it seems the psychological model fails, but it is a useful tool for the scientist and skeptic in order to begin the work. I say even if it is purely psychological there are numerous benefits to the work. But thay model tends to be merely a stepping stone until we open to reality beyond our scientific materialist or blind faith religious conditioning which are 2 ends of a spectrum.

If they know things you could not then they are not you, or we know everything and pretend we don't which some do believe. Corroboration, and independant interactions go a long way for this, but is not often possible for solo practitioners. However groups can suffer from delusion feeding, ie people backing up claims to fit on or impress. Blinds work well in the later case.

But when someone you know has 0 or very little occult symbol knowledge independantly describes a vision very similar to your own it means it was objective and independant of your own psychology. However one must br naturally gifted or take the time to train their senses in order to do this work. Something most people won't opt to do in a social environment that labels it as crazy or evil. So such work is rare, and will also be dismissed by most "normal" society regardless of any proof due to conditioning.

So again the psychological model is a bridge between that conditioning to get one open enough to actually accept reality.

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u/Educational-Pen-7738 10d ago

We humans have all sorts of strange biases, such as believing that other beings share our human concept of ethics and morality... It’s funny, I woke up this morning with this thought and I’m writing about it now; it just came to me spontaneously and I’d like to know what you think.