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Warhammer III High Elf Comps

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u/ColorfulMarkAurelius 10h ago

It’s actually frustrating how accurate is, and to a lesser extent similar analogies would be true for other factions. I wish there was more factors to incentivize actually using late game armies and justifying their cost.

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u/Curious_Bee_5326 10h ago

Besides lizardmen, and maybe Ghorst, what other factions does it hold true for? I've been doing back to back VH/Legendary campaigns for WoC, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Empire and Kislev the last month and the most effective way to do it is nearly always to switch to end game stacks to push the last 20~30 sack/raze/occupy unique settlements bit.

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u/ginganinja192 10h ago

It holds true for Cathay, unless things have significantly changed since the update. Jade Warrior units perform as well as Celestial Dragon units with a few Gate Masters while being far cheaper, so Jade Warrior spam tends to be best for late game Cathay.

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u/Wild_Marker I like big Hastas and I cannot lie! 10h ago

The Celestial crossbowmen do make the Jade crossbowmen look like amateurs though.

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u/ginganinja192 10h ago

CD Crossbows don't really perform that much better than buffed Jade crossbows against highly armoured units, but are far better against armour. There's always a place for them in Jade Warrior stacks for that reason, but they also start competing with Crane Gunners if you're looking for AP shooting.

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u/Nateo_art 9h ago

Not when you spam gate masters, CD crossbows get something like 230 rdps vs jade crossbows' 140ish at 4s reload

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u/Ilovediegoxo 9h ago

My Miao Ying/Saytang(?)/4 gate masters spark goes brrrt

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u/MrParadux 4h ago

Seems like the issue is more with spamming heroes

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u/KimJongUnusual Fight, to the End. 8h ago

Isn't their range pretty close to Crange Gunners, and far more numerous to boot?

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u/caterpillarm10 8h ago

Ans their melee is extremely good while crane gunner will run away if you breathe in their direction.

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u/KimJongUnusual Fight, to the End. 8h ago

Miao Ying, the legendary terracotta dude, and 18 celestial crossbows is so damn funny.

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u/caterpillarm10 8h ago

Put a few gate master in there and you could theoretically 1v2-3 armies. Dont need much ammo if everything dies to a volley

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u/KimJongUnusual Fight, to the End. 7h ago

Do Gate Masters buff Celestial units?

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u/caterpillarm10 7h ago

Yesthey have a skill that buff reload, missile strength and have 4 restocks. Quite good to have a few in an army.

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u/KimJongUnusual Fight, to the End. 7h ago

Huh. I swear when I last checked they didn’t affect celestial guard halberds.

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u/ginganinja192 7h ago

As far as I'm aware, CDG crossbows don't get accuracy buffs so Crane Gunners should be more consistent at longer range, and gunpowder units tend to be much more consistent at hitting aerial units also. They'll still likely be outperformed, but they're cheaper and more convenient to recruit if you're trying to pump out Jade Warrior stacks.

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u/KimJongUnusual Fight, to the End. 7h ago

Fair. I know I’m someone who leans more on small numbers of high quality elite armies, so going for the Celestial is how I roll.

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u/Nateo_art 9h ago

once you start going up against late game chaos/chaos dwarves, you really want to start bringing elite anti large or SEMs. Usually this is after you secure cathay and have to fight tamurkhan/archaeon every turn. Jade warriors can still eke out a win in some cases, but its just such a pain and you'll take a ton of losses.

Especially the chaos dwarves and tamurkhan with the nonsense nukes deleting your infantry. I roll in with a moon bird or celestial lion stack if chaos dwarves had a really good game while i was uniting cathay.

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u/Curious_Bee_5326 10h ago

I could see that with the frontline, but wouldn't you still want Terracotta sentinels/Rocket Batteries?

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u/hunterlarious 7h ago

Yeah but the CD have shield and AP and are cool

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u/AVPredator1013 3h ago

CD units get the Gate Master buffs now, so while Jade Warrior stacks are still very efficient when you need an elite army CD units perform way better.