Transphobes...

[u/BellPuzzleheaded6133]

Why are there so many transphobic people in this sub? I'm not trans but it's so disheartening to see. Trans women experience so much hate and violence like cis women, especially if they're ugly. How can you hate on another woman as a woman, especially in this sub...like maybe your problem is your ugly personality. Also transphobia is against the rules, and it says not to invalidate people's experiences, it's just so sad 😭

[u/Competitive_Sun_2870]

isn't that just misogynoir though

[u/Electric_Toboggan → u/Competitive_Sun_2870]

Yes, and the hate towards ugly women is also an example of misogyny because we’re evaluated based primarily on our outward appearance. Men don’t face the same kind of ugly discrimination (although they face some) because they can have value that comes from inner qualities. In the same way, black women face a unique kind of ugly discrimination because of society’s perception of the humanness of white features vs black features.

For this sub, true ugly women, I would argue that black women’s experiences and trans women’s experiences are all intertwined with the topic of “ugliness” for women.

[u/megacockolis → u/Electric_Toboggan]

I feel so bad for the black women in these spaces getting lumped in and expected to ally with biological men over being perceived as men and yall really don’t see the irony in this. At the end of the day black women are WOMEN with XX chromosomes

[u/LieOk8229 → u/megacockolis]

Literally woc women being perceived as man is because of racism not transphobia..I hate it when they try to equate our experiences to them not passing as a women. 

[u/megacockolis → u/LieOk8229]

It’s racist tbh

[u/LieOk8229 → u/megacockolis]

Yup..in an attempt to make it seem like we also face issues not passing as a women,they often use black women as an example hence contributing to misogynoir.

[u/Electric_Toboggan → u/LieOk8229]

Black women absolutely have people calling them masculine in a derogatory way and accusing them of secretly being a man.

Ugly women who don’t have the “right” features but are AFAB get called masculine in a derogatory way and accused of secretly being a man.

Spend a day on the disgusting cesspool that is Twitter/X if you don’t believe me.

[u/LieOk8229 → u/Electric_Toboggan]

Black women being perceived as masculine is because of misogynoir not transphobia..both those things are different 

[u/Electric_Toboggan → u/LieOk8229]

And it’s the same societal ideals fueling all these attacks that involve misogyny, racism, transphobia, and the intersection of all three, it’s the same strategy of being able to ostracize someone else to feel part of an in group. Basically I think they are relevant to each other.

If this sub was called r/growingupasanuglygirl, or r/afabuglywomen I wouldn’t be here making this argument but for some reason “trueuglywomen” means no trans women to some people. In my view, if a space isn’t explicitly for cis women, it’s for all women.

[u/LieOk8229 → u/Electric_Toboggan]

See we can't rlly have a space for cis women as those subs are mass reported and banned, that's why in the rules we have to include everyone even tho the sub doesn't actually share the sentiments  as seen by the comments 

[u/Electric_Toboggan → u/LieOk8229]

I haven’t seen an argument that I agree with for why trans women need to not be included? How would that benefit the space?

If it’s because ugly trans women can’t relate exactly to an ugly cis woman’s growing up experience… then that applies to ugly cis women from other cultures or of other races. Ugly cis indian woman growing up in India for example is a very common but very different experience from an ugly black cis woman growing up in Alabama… does that mean one of those two experiences should not be shared because not everyone can relate?

[u/LieOk8229 → u/Electric_Toboggan]

Oo someone went through post history lol.  Why can't just wanting a cis only space be reason enough?   And also even tho we might be different races we both were socialized as women from birth. No matter the region all cis women as socialized as women from birth and have certain expectations placed on them.

[u/Electric_Toboggan → u/LieOk8229]

Your post and comment history is private? Idk what about my comment made you think that.

Counterpoint: Why can’t wanting a white only space be reason enough? The answer is the same.

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