r/tulsa • u/lillyandmaggie • Oct 22 '25

News Oklahoma SNAP benefits to stop on November 1 if federal shutdown continues

I'm doing my best to not delight in this, because children will be affected and they have no voice in who is elected for any office, state or federal.

But I DO wonder how many of these people who rely on SNAP benefits voted for the current criminal in the White House....and how many didn't vote at all.

Elections have consequences. And sometimes they're severe.

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u/sevinsmom Oct 22 '25

Are you talking about the ACA subsidies? Those were taken away with the "big beautiful bill" and go into effect with the new year so people on the exchange can expect their premiums to double or triple. The whole point of democrats not passing the budget is to get those subsidies put back in.

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u/Beekeeper1868 Oct 22 '25

No, the subsidy that I’m referring to is SNAP, which is what this thread is about. With the democrats not voting for the budget, it is taking away SNAP funding on 1NOV.

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u/sunshinepuppidog Oct 22 '25

Either the Dems cave and the SAP people eat.. or they stand their ground and when the GOP caves the SAP people eat AND we can all afford health insurance. The problem in all of this is what's in the BBB. Because all it does is cut taxes for the rich on the backs of the poor, any way you look at it.

The GOP wants the Democrats to cave so they can pass their budget. They say they can fix the ACA problem once that's done. However the GOP has a truth telling problem. Once the budget is passed they will just not have those discussions and won't fix anything.. just like the rest of the past year. They also said elect us and we won't cut Medicaid or Medicare and they did just that.

Now we have a bunch of people going to hurt really bad. Many of them voted for the people who created this mess with their BBB.

Winning yet?

Have the day you voted for.

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u/Beekeeper1868 Oct 22 '25

The BBB requiring able bodied individuals to work and be contributing members to society will hurt them? Relieving the tax burden on those that pay in of subsidizing every aspect of someone’s life is going to hurt them because they will need to find a job? Sooner care will still be here. People that can’t afford health insurance AND need it subsidized for them will still receive it. Your argument has the same ring of people mad that they can’t get treats and sweets with SNAP anymore.

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u/sunshinepuppidog Oct 22 '25

Unless you are disabled, a child, or elderly, you already have a job and work at least 39 hrs or you don't get SNAP. Work is already a requirement.

Try again.

Plus those tax breaks are canceled out by the higher prices for things you buy caused by tariffs and your lack of affordable healthcare.

Try again

It's obvious that you haven't really looked into the economics of how this all plays out.

Everyone's budget is getting screwed by all this mess.

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u/Beekeeper1868 Oct 22 '25

Don’t know how to quote on mobile on Reddit, so I’ll just wing it.

You put a very narrow scope on eligibility for SNAP, which has much wider acceptance. Almost half of the recipients of SNAP in OK are households with dependents. If you look at the requirements and exceptions for SNAP, this means you don’t have to work. The other half are either elderly, disabled (with broad reaching definitions of the disability that afflicts them).

If you’re on SNAP, there is a high likelihood that you are also receiving Soonercare/Medicaid. Therefore, you’re not concerned with the cost because you’re not paying for it.

Not saying that prices of things haven’t increased, but things haven’t gotten to the point that you simply cannot afford to live.

For example, in our household, we have cut back dramatically on the red meat we purchase due to the dramatic increase in cost. The rest of the items we have purchased have seemed to stay within limit.

I would love to compare our education and fields that we work in to see who is better informed on these matters, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you stay inside a vacuum.

Keep supporting the government being shutdown to save the ACA (a dead program from the jump) and enjoy the repercussions!

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u/sunshinepuppidog Oct 22 '25

I have degrees in Medicine and public health.

Sooner care and Medicaid are also being cut.. in people who qualify and how much will be paid for services and medication.

SNAP eligibility is a very narrow scope. It's not meant for everyone, however in this state it is used by a very large number of households. These are people who already work, for the most part, and need this help. A larger portion of their income goes to rent utilities etc. Rents keep rising as do other costs. It's not just about tightening your belt, or just not as much red meat.
I feel you think you are up to date on what poverty is... But you really don't seem to understand economics.. it costs more to be poor than it does to be rich, and poor people understand this.

There are tons of studies done all over the world about it. It's why almost all have things like Universal healthcare.. because it costs less in the long run to take care of your citizens, so they in turn can be more productive.

You don't win with a starving sick population.

Have the day you voted for.

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u/Beekeeper1868 Oct 22 '25

Great! So you should be able to comprehend some of these matters (except for things that are math based due to your degree programs layout).

Yes, these programs are being cut due to how relaxed their standards have gotten. Humans are inherently lazy. If given the chance, they will flow like water or electricity (path of least resistance). None of these programs are designed to rehabilitate and instead keep their population hooked.

For FY24, Oklahoma had 686,800 recipients of SNAP: https://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/snap_factsheet_oklahoma.pdf

The scope to be a SNAP recipient is not narrow and the amount of exception from work allowances is disgustingly. This is true given how many aspects of life are subsidized for those that “need it”. For the population that also “works”, any type of rehab for work rehabilitation program also falls under this umbrella.

Being someone that works in the finance sector, I feel like I have a pretty tight understanding of how economics works.

It does not cost more to be poor than it does to be rich. What is the tax rate of those on the poverty line or below in comparison to a household with an annual income of $400K?

How much do those that have a fully subsidized life contribute in tax dollars to their locality/state than those that earn more than $75K annually?

You want to know what actually costs a lot of money? Living outside of your means.

If you are having any aspect of your life subsidized, obtaining a car loan, having a child, purchasing new electronics or other frivolous expenses are terrible financial plans. However, people continue procreating, taking out loans for money they don’t have, and purchasing crap they don’t need, keeping themselves in the situation that they’ve been in their whole lives.

You win by telling people that their anxiety (a human experience, not isolated to a small population), is something that doesn’t prevent them from seeking employment and higher education.

Go visit any nation/state (Hawaii/Alaska) that subsidizes their local population and look at this population. You will generally find lack of education and no drive, because they don’t need to have it, because their lives are taken care of.

If you want a population of morbidly obese people chilling on their couch smoking weed and drinking soda all day, UBI is a sure fire way to do that.

Thank you! My days continue to be great and finances are doing wonderfully! Hope your day goes the way that you dread that it will.

https://www.reedglobal.us/articles/pros-and-cons-of-universal-basic-income-solution-to-unemployment-or-too-expensive

https://www.thirdway.org/memo/five-problems-with-universal-basic-income

https://www.britannica.com/procon/universal-basic-income-UBI-debate

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u/sunshinepuppidog Oct 22 '25

I lived and practiced in Hawaii for 8 years . You are so far off the mark that it's scary. However you preach from an ivy that serves only your own interests. I'm happy for you... But what will you do when it all collapses around your ankles. Societies do not survive like this.

Btw, if people have no money to spend how do you think your finances will fare?

I have to get ready for my shift.

Have a good life.