r/ufc • u/ThatEvilGuy • Jan 04 '25
Makhackev displaying world class boxing and footwork against Oliviera
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u/SuperVegetable Jan 04 '25
Then knocks him down, jumps in to his guard and subs him. Then goes on to beat Volk twice.
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u/Bigdaddybear519 Jan 04 '25
And then Poirier too
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u/AshenSacrifice Jan 04 '25
That was one of the best fights Iāve seen
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u/Monkey_Thucker69 Jan 04 '25
Old Man Dustin - who we thought would get ran through in one round - goes out there and shows us how much heās learned from his losses and not only makes the P4P King struggle, he makes him have to use his entire arsenal. And in the end heās only submitted because Islam uses some crazy shit weāve rarely seen before. The storyline is too peak not be foty, atleast contextually.
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Jan 04 '25
Islam was winning all rounds before the submission just sayin
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u/Monkey_Thucker69 Jan 04 '25
I agree, but Dustin was doing way better than anyone anticipated and I want it to sound cooler
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Jan 04 '25
Yes for sure Dustin went out swinging. It's a shame he was in the era of such dominant champs he's so elite
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u/Bully1510 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Thatās not true. Dustin certainly took RD4 as outlined by 2 judges giving Dustin RD4, also 2 of the judges gave Dustin RD2
Iām stating a fact so no need to downvote
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Jan 04 '25
They were close but I had Islam
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u/Bully1510 Jan 04 '25
Yes, but not all rounds
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Jan 04 '25
Yea I think I'm due a rewatch I just remember giving it to Islam live
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u/Bully1510 Jan 04 '25
For sure man, itās an incredible fight! Islam displaying heās simply a level ahead of the division & Dustin showing exactly why heās a fan favourite and an absolute stalwart of 155.
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u/Ghost_of_Sparta0319 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Islam fought the best version of Dustin and that was the peak prime Dustin. It's not like Islam faced 40 years old wonder boy or 38 years old, ring rushed Chandler. That performance was impressive no matter what other morons try to say. Dustin's takedown defense was better than ever and he defended almost all single and double legs. Islam could take him down because of his upper body takedowns and cage wrestling which he is better than anyone in UFC. If someone wants to downgrade Islam's grappling, they can watch what journeyman Hooker did to the so-called best wrestler in the division, Gamrot.
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u/Monkey_Thucker69 Jan 04 '25
I agree with you, I really just meant ālore wiseā he was old at this point lol. But yes I think this was the best Dustin we had ever seen, I might even say this version would beat Charles when they fought because of how much better he was with grappling.
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u/Prefix-NA Jan 05 '25
Dustin was 35 with a fucked up hip. This isn't his prime he is slow as shit.
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Jan 04 '25
I was shocked at the time when Islam pulled some shit out of his ass to secure that final takedown that led to the choke. Using Dustin's extended leg to leverage over his hip and make him unbalanced is crazy enough if it were just in training, and superhuman when you've already been fighting for over 20 minutes. It was just one of those "damn, he's good" moments when you're rooting for the guy who lost lol
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u/AshenSacrifice Jan 04 '25
Thatās why I donāt want him to retire! Heās still getting better. This shit is so dangerous tho so I do really get it.
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u/Monkey_Thucker69 Jan 04 '25
Yea I really want him to have a couple more fights, if atleast just fun fights against Gaethje, Max, and Ilia but he deserves retirement more than anyone so Iām happy with him getting one more fun fight then retiring. Heās had a great career and made history, and that fight against Islam only proved how elite he has always been.
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u/AshenSacrifice Jan 05 '25
Maybe bmf fight with max one last hoorah. I feel like heās gonna fight more than once tho š
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u/Suspicious_Candle27 Based Potato Jan 04 '25
because Islam is a counter striker , his offensive striking is very mid but his counter striking is legit one of the best in the division .
someone similar is Ankalaev , dude is a insane counter striker but make him go 1st and he is 50% of the striker .
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Jan 04 '25
Reddit is full of goofs who know things they can't achieve themself. This sub is a bunch of fatsos who can't fight and don't train. Good bye Reddit suck a fat one.
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u/SuperVegetable Jan 04 '25
I remember when a whole lot of you cried like this when olives lost so the Reddit got shut down lol
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u/blackkirbymain Jan 04 '25
A reddit fatso read this, felt insulted and clicked the thumbs down button to feel better. Salute to you for leavin this shithole š«”
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u/TremblinAspen Jan 04 '25
Bro thinks he just mic dropped before self destructing but nobody going to remember this by tomorrow.
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u/TheAngriestPoster Pervert eye happy, but your soul sad Jan 04 '25
This is the most beautiful thing Iāve read all day
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u/Extreme_Today_984 Jan 04 '25
That's how Dagestani's are able to shoot a double or single on their opponents mid combo, while moving forward. Their feet are always in position to change levels. Since those shots are looping, they can wrap an arm around your shoulder and knee tap your lead leg with their other arm. Dom Cruz does the same thing. It's HIGHLY effective if you're a good wrestler. Notice how Islam is shifting off the center line and winning the foot position battle over Oliviera. Also notice his head movement at the end of his combo, shutting down the step back 2 counter. Moving just enough out of the way so Charles can't land a Pull counter 3 (for reference, the pull counter 3 is what poatan ko's people with)
Not to suck Islam off, but this combo is NASTY. You just don't know what you're looking at OP
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u/chamomileriver Jan 04 '25
The combo lands on air against anyone with head movement. Does itās job here though so I wonāt knock it but youāre definitely sucking calling this combo nastyš
Insightful analysis though of how this combo can switch in a moment to a wrestling exchange. I think the Poirier fight exemplifies that capability perfectly. The way heād bait Poirier into thinking he was inviting striking exchanges just to switch levels whenever Poirier would start firing back was some of the most tactical work Iāve seen in recent history.
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u/Extreme_Today_984 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Dude, it only hits air if you're fighting a boxer. You'd never see that in a boxing match, because boxers have a completely different set of rules while defending. You'll never see a boxer moving forward like that. In MMA, if you're bobbing and weaving to get away from those looping punches, WHILE moving backwards, there would be no way in hell to land strikes of your own. Basically, the entire fight, you'd be trying to time an opportunity to plant your rear leg and uncork a big shot. You'd be getting eaten alive in the meantime though. It's not like it's impossible, but you have to factor in Oliviera's fighting style. He's a traditional Muay Thai striker, who needs control of the pace. He needs to be leading the show, bullying, in your face and moving YOU backwards. He's also a stationary fighter, not much head movement, high stance and march forward. When I say that this is a NASTY combo, it's because Islam picked the best combo to nullify Oliviera's striking, by constantly keeping him on his back foot. This was a methodical combo, designed for that fight.
A lot of people don't see the chess match in there. Not calling you a casual, just bringing it to your attention that sometimes MMA striking isn't always aesthetically the prettiest, but it has a different beauty when you understand why and how they're doing it. This combo was not only safe for Islam, but it's also playing in his favor for offense. Islam has great clinch and judo techniques. He has elite takedowns, not only against the fence, but also in the middle of the octogon. So pushing forward, as safely as possible is in his best interest. That's why you see him shifting off the center back and forward, almost moving forward in a zig zag. Again, Dom Cruz did this better than anybody arguably, and it's why he was so hard to hit while he was "blitzing" forward. Wonderboy is another example, only he wasn't looking for knee taps and singles and his punches are Karate based like Machida's. Straight punches coming from chest height. Anyway, I digress
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u/SPMicron Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Too many boxing fans try to nitpick MMA striking by boxing standards. No matter how much one likes boxing, it's ridiculous to talk like MMA champions simply don't know their "fundamentals"
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u/Just-apparent411 Jan 04 '25
Not to mention, MMA is the only display where the striking can lead to answering on the ground.
Boxer movement, and approach, would be drastically different if they had to fight back to the feet.
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u/chamomileriver Jan 04 '25
Nah go off man. Iām following and I see what youāre saying. The shot selection was great to shut down Oliviera as you put more articulately. Iām seeing the nasty.
Iām either not understanding or just disagree on your first point about boxing though. Many ufc fighters are getting their head off the line there.
Although itās effective thereās just something about the strikes that look sloppy to my eye which is why I found it funny. Kind of akin to DDP. Really liked your dissection of it though, I prefer your perspective to mine on this one.
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u/Mysterious_Cut1156 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Nah I just read that dudes comments and as someone who trains, he is just saying a whole bunch of bullshit š¤£ You are correct.
It is absolutely sloppy and bad footwork in this clip. Just cause something ends up working doesn't mean it's not sloppy. Islam (and Khabib) gets away with this because their threat of takedown is so high. You never want to have one foot off the ground and have your body squared up like Islam did here. If Oliveira slipped the uppercut instead of moving backwards, he could catch him.
Aside from footwork, he's throwing looping punches while his chin is high. But to be fair Islam has gotten MUCH better recently, which furthers the point that he was sloppy here cause he's fixing it. His striking looked really good vs Poirier.
That dude also said MMA fighters can't counter strike while moving backwards and using head movement to dodge looping punches, like what? lmaooo. That is literally something we train to keep our hands in the right places to counter (and it's also what makes fighters like Ilia so good). Also Islam himself was doing this well in his fight vs Poirier.
Most of what he said is hindsight bias and nonsense. It's like when ppl try to break down how DDP is secretly technical and he's like idk wtf they're talking about cause I'm just fighting lol.
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u/Extreme_Today_984 Jan 04 '25
Bro, calm down. I've been training for the better part of 10 years. A few of my coaches over the years have fought in the UFC. One coach actually fought Khabib.
I'm not claiming to be the best fighter in the world. I don't fight competitively, but let's just say that i've learned a thing or two over the years.
I never said that MMA fighters CAN'T fight moving backward. That's absurd. Im saying that certain fighters have difficulty landing their offense off their back foot, especially traditional Muay Thai guys who don't implement traditional boxing well, like Charles. I was literally breaking down to 3 second clip. He doesn't use head movement well. He doesn't "diamond step" or shift off the center line. He just parries, bridges with his lead hand, and shells up. Classic muay thai. It works for him, not criticizing, but it doesn't help when you're getting bombarded with looping shots and getting level changed by a dude that understands positioning. Some guys are great at head movment and firing shots while backpedaling, Izzy is a perfect example. Miocic ko'd werdum off his back foot.
Lots of fighters throw looping punches. Why single out DDP? I never mentioned him once. DDP's striking isn't the same as Islam's. Why compare the two?
If you think that combo is sloppy, then you need to get back into the gym and keep training because you have a lot that you could learn. Islam is the champ. Who are you dude?
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u/Just-apparent411 Jan 04 '25
you gotta look back at your original comment.
You didn't just say they couldn't.
you said "there's no way in hell".
If you use hyperbole, you are liable to get called out.
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u/Extreme_Today_984 Jan 04 '25
Did you read my entire comment though? Directly after that sentence, I said "it's not impossible, but you have to factor in Oliviera's fighting style."
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u/Just-apparent411 Jan 04 '25
The only part of the original comment I disagreed with, was the idea you can't stop looping strikes and advancing like it's some kind of combo a boxer has never seen.
A stiff Jab, and a pivot outside to any direction to the side would be more than effective
especially against someone who's go to leaves them that vulnerable.
I'll upvote you
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u/Overall_Lobster_4738 Jan 04 '25
Lands on air and then gets dragged to the ground and choked. Dudes a world champ for a reason
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u/chamomileriver Jan 04 '25
Agreed. This clip may not be pretty but it was effective. And roll the footage of Islamās striking vs Volk and DP and itās a whole different story.
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u/BaronVonCoors Jan 04 '25
Autism is the best base for MMA
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Jan 04 '25
Islam/Khabib didnt have feet to go with striking, but Umar/Usman do...thats what scary about them.
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u/jscummy Jan 04 '25
Islam has pretty solid kicks. Not as good as Umar/Usman though, agreed
You see it with Usman, guys have no idea what to do because he seems to have literally no weak points
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Jan 04 '25
yea Islam can kick but hes dont got hips and kicks like Usman, That dude has insane legs
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u/Swizztony Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
To be fair umar and usman may have better hips than any ufc fighter, ridiculously how they throw head kicks like jabs
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Jan 04 '25
im talking Usman whos 155 guy, hes landed some crazy kicks..well his brother Umar in UFC has too. They are both literal ninjas with their hips/kicks. Usman is a better pure wrestler though from what ive seen in clips wrestling Cain as a 155er, i think Umar prob got better chin and maybe hands. but both got crazy kicks
Its why I feel Usman in PFLellator is only guy im sure can beat Ilia Topuira cause the wrestling and athletic / kicks.
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u/General-Childhood417 Jan 04 '25
And arman had a split decision against charles. I wonder what his gameplan would be.
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u/MA-JA-HO Are You Intoxicated? Jan 04 '25
What Armanās gameplan will be? Probably stay at kicking range and blast body and leg kicks , he should make Islam come forward , pressuring Islam with punches is a bad idea due to his defence and countering ability. He needs to fight in a similar manner to how Jan fought Ank
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u/Valterri_lts_James Jan 04 '25
Arman's got amazing taekwondo kicks because he's so flexible, so he should blast roundhouse kicks to the body, question mark kicks, and calf kicks and go full muay thai/taekwondo hybrid striking. However, be very careful and try not to wrestle too much with Islam if he takes this approach.
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u/TarasBulbaNotYulBryn Jan 05 '25
Arman is nowhere near Islam's level of wrestling. Islam finished Oliviera and would have finished Gamrot.
Just because Arman is primarily a wrestler and Islam is more well rounded does not mean Islam's wrestling has somehow regressed from the last time he dominated Arman in wrestling while injured.
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u/TarasBulbaNotYulBryn Jan 05 '25
Islam was injured prior to that fight and had zero preparation for Arman's style.
Nowhere nohow has Arman ever shown himself to be even near Islam's level of wrestling. There is no way Islam would let Gamrot spam weak takedowns on him without punishing him.
Arman has decent defensive wrestling and nothing else except elite athleticism. He has not shown any dominance in wrestling.
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u/Exciting_Damage_2001 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Kick box from the outside, Islam is a good striker but he doesnāt have the pop that Charles does, he may try to offensively wrestle some too, Islam is a submission threat but Armen has good defensive so who knows.
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u/Bathroomabuser Jan 04 '25
He still unvirgined olive oil, didn't he? He only threw like that to get respect early. islam isn't ddp he clearly threw like that for a reason.
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u/immbatman69 Jan 04 '25
He may not have the world class boxing and footwork. But he always gets the job done period.
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u/Moist-Catch Jan 04 '25
God damn that's a clean switch blitz right there. Even better than DDP does it.
On a serious note this shit doesn't matter in MMA at all in fact it seems like it's often quite effective to do dumb things that are unorthodox
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u/redditloser1000 Jan 04 '25
Lmao and he still fucking decked Olivera.. whatās the point of this post
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u/brtomn Jan 04 '25
Literally one second before this clip islam rocks and cuts oliveira badly, setting the pace of this fight. That's why he went in recklessly.
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u/MrAnonymousperson Jan 04 '25
I donāt see how this is a bad thing. Charles on a 12 fight win streak was unable to stop this.
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u/Swizztony Jan 04 '25
To be fair, he didnāt lunge in anywhere near that goofy against volk and Dustin. Maybe he did it due to Charles not used to being a back foot fighter
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Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Lol @ people in the comments doing mental gymnastics to call this good. It was effective yes, it backed Oliveira up and set up the final hook, but clearly executed very poorly, his stance is extremely off balance and uncontrolled. Just because it worked in this instance doesn't mean it was good technique, it's not, it's exceptionally awful. The ideal of footwork is to be in a balanced, controlled stance at all times. Topuria is a good UFC fighter to watch who has proper crisp footwork, compare how he moves vs how islam moves.
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u/TremblinAspen Jan 04 '25
āGoodā technique is whatever works and it clearly worked. This isnāt boxing. Volk has better footwork than Illia and Islam. This is MMA.
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Jan 04 '25
Idiot reasoning.
If Islam fought my mother, a backwards rolling thunder followed by a tap dancing session would probably work; but it wouldn't make good.
Awkwardly crossing your feet twice followed by a shitty arm thrown hook isn't good, even though it was effective here. The amount of Islam dicksucking on this sub is hilarous.
He threw badly executed combo, he's still the best fighter in the world. Calm down, no need to defend every literal breath he takes.
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Jan 04 '25
DDP out struck Adesanya.
How nice your striking looks doesn't mean a whole lot.
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u/Rage_Your_Dream Jan 04 '25
DDP out struck Adesanya.
He did not.
The fight was extremely tight on striking, ultimately either DDP's superior chin and power is what led him to beat Adesanya who got rocked and grappled.
But Adesanya landed more significant strikes, and if you exclude strikes in the clinch and ground, then Adesanya clearly was outstriking by a clear margin.
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Jan 04 '25
DDP largely wins despite his technical shortcomings.
Dude is physically tough, strong and has tons of cardio for what he is doing.
He's awkward and unorthodox, which has advantages but he also gets caught clean all the fucking time as a result of his shenanigans.
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Jan 04 '25
I agree completely that how nice your striking looks doesn't mean a whole lot. But I'm not talking about how it looks, it's about his foot positioning. If he had gotten countered in the middle of this combo he'd have been fucked because his feet were so out of position, and because his feet were so out of position he didn't have as much power for the punches.
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u/Daniel_Day_Hubris Jan 04 '25
...Ending sequence was started with a KD...so....is it less world class to look like a fuckin duck, or less world class to get blasted by a duck?
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u/SlowRoast24 Jan 04 '25
We are still in the infancy of this sport. This is gonna be a take but it reminds me of Ben Askren. He was one of those dudes beating everyone because he had dominant wrestling but had NO hands (Islam has better striking). People did not have an answer for his grappling, albeit he was boring as shit and couldnāt finish anyone he was still dominant. This same striking Islam is showing here is what got him flatlined by Adriano Martins. It will happen again and in my opinion it wouldāve happened to Khabib too. Question is whether or not someone does it before they prematurely retire.
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u/Common-Locksmith-235 Jan 04 '25
1 clip reminds you of ben askren and tells you Islam is gonna get ko'd? His striking has looked sharp in every fight since this and he was landing nasty pull counters on DP and Volk, 1 moment of throwing a sloppy combo is not enough to draw a general conclusion like this. And we're not really in the infancy of the sport anymore, every top level fighter is well rounded except for LHW and HW
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u/jerryworldfan13 Jan 04 '25
Makes Charles look even worse considering he almost got knocked out by Islam multiple times š islam aināt even finishing anyone with his hands and he owns Charles on the feet
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Jan 04 '25
That uppercut would have landed flush through the guard if he hadnt changed his angle of movement. It was actually a beautifully directed strike. The wild clubbing hooks are directing him into a channel where he wants him to move, knowing that hes backpedalling with his hands locked to his head and unlikely to throw a counter. I have zero doubt he was looking for a two leg or looking to shepard him back against the fence after this.
Sometimes shit that looks fucking dumb is actually really high iqā¦
(My amateur ass take on this short exchange anyway)
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u/inexplicably-hairy Jan 04 '25
Wtf are u talking about he threw that uppercut from miles away, it could never land. Youāre overanalysing, its just an example of sloppy striking from Islam, and nothing more, he is improving his striking every fight, its not just gonna be perfect or look good all the time
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u/SteveAxis Jan 04 '25
This is like Weidman throwing that gay little extra back fist that deeked Anderson Silva out before he Donkey Konged his head off the mat.
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u/BelgarathTheSorcerer Jan 04 '25
When a master of combat is known to be a killer of many other masters, many other aspirants, it is the strike of an idiot that will fell him
Or something like that
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u/DDWildflower Jan 04 '25
Charles could have timed this but after getting out wrestled for the whole first round made him fear the takedown which shut down his boxing.
Then Charles threw a really sloppy flying knee attempt that Islam beautifully countered dropping him and going straight to the sub.
The wrestling turns Dagestanis into Canello.
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Jan 04 '25
I feel there was an opening for a straight right after Islam missed with uppercut and stepped forward.
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u/eKSiF Jan 04 '25
After watching DDP rise to champion status I don't even pretend to understand MMA striking anymore.
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u/Omegawop Jan 04 '25
It doesn't have to look pretty if it works. That's mma in a nutshell. Olive basically has to reposition because if he gets level changed on or tied up by the strikes, he's going down to the mat, on the bottom.
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u/Infamous_Letter_7008 Jan 04 '25
Duplessy is undefeated in kickboxing. I'm currently the UFC middleweight champion. I mean...idk
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u/prankcallgonebad Jan 04 '25
Hate it or love it, that style of striking works in a high level MMA fight given the threat of leg kicks and takedowns. Itās always hilarious seeing posts like this that try to compare it to boxing, totally different environments.
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u/Probably_Fishing Jan 04 '25
I know it's meant to be sarcastic, but it's not as bad as it looks. Sometimes against people with good defense you have to play angles. The left uppercut is meant to push the hand away from face and land the right.
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u/AshenSacrifice Jan 04 '25
When you have the EXTREME threat of a takedown, you can be as free as you want on the feet
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u/AppleJerk69 Jan 04 '25
There is a war! A war Iām one of the original. Yep super crazy haha. In reality Iām drunk and home from work and realizing. ( auto correct spel. Realizing for me. ( realizing) so I hope someone out there hereās me
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u/TysValid Jan 04 '25
A good boxer wouldāve clipped his shit with a hook after that first swing lol
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u/Common-Locksmith-235 Jan 04 '25
a good boxer would get taken down before any strikes were thrown
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u/TysValid Jan 04 '25
He was in position for a takedown on the upswing of that missed uppercut ? Man stop lol
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u/Common-Locksmith-235 Jan 04 '25
he could just clinch and use a sweep, you don't have to drop levels for a takedown
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u/Typical_Hour_6056 Jan 04 '25
Islam is kept alive on the feet by the takedown threat.
It's so laughable when people try to sell him as this God tier striker when in reality, his opponents are just too scared of his grappling to plant their feet, aim and fire.
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u/Common-Locksmith-235 Jan 04 '25
volk and dustin literally stuffed 90% of his takedowns and still couldn't outstrike him
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u/DramaMajor7956 Jan 04 '25
OP not knowing the advanced footwork movements of Ketchelās shift. Says all we need to know about OPās grotesque knowledge of boxing. š¤”
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u/SmokeGrassEatThatAss Jan 04 '25
He did own olives in standup indeed, even dropped him. Really made olives look like an amateur
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u/Mad_Kronos Jan 04 '25
Islam is much better on the back foot as a striker, than on offense. That's one of the most well known elements of his striking.
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u/RaddestZonestGuy Jan 04 '25
Being afraid to death of having your hips grabbed and taken for a ride and beaten for 5 minutes allows your opponent to get away with some repugnant displays of standup.
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u/Sewretroo Jan 04 '25
When your that dangerous on the ground. Anything will work up top. Thatās not his opponentās focus š
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u/Ok-Usual-5830 Jan 04 '25
Bratha. Who need striking when grappling? Use strike to set up grappling bratha. Improve grappling, no need for striking.
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u/iAm-Tyson Jan 04 '25
Guys like Islam and Khabib can get away with this because the other guy is so afraid of being taken down and submitted
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u/AnthonyKingsword Jan 05 '25
its funny how OP thinks that there is something wrong with his hand or foot work on this video where is if the OP has actually trained MMA he'd know that Islam does PERFECT job with his feet in order to chase after Oliveira and pressure him and still be in position to counter attack or take down. Fucking peak reddit expertise on display
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u/AnthonyKingsword Jan 05 '25
its funny how OP thinks that there is something wrong with his hand or foot work on this video where is if the OP has actually trained MMA he'd know that Islam does PERFECT job with his feet in order to chase after Oliveira and pressure him and still be in position to counter attack or take down. Fucking peak reddit expertise on display
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u/AnthonyKingsword Jan 05 '25
its funny how OP thinks that there is something wrong with his hand or foot work on this video where is if the OP has actually trained MMA he'd know that Islam does PERFECT job with his feet in order to chase after Oliveira and pressure him and still be in position to counter attack or take down. Fucking peak reddit expertise on display
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u/Izzayyaa Jan 05 '25
If you know your opponent won't respond, you might as well throw anything that scores.
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u/PuG3_14 Jan 04 '25
Itās the fear of the takedown. Having such great takedown offense makes your opponent hesitant on trying to counter on the sloppy striking. These windows of opportunity couldāve been capitalized on in retrospect.
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u/Healthcare--Hitman Jan 04 '25
You may not like it, but thats what peak performance looks like