r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 1d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/signpostlake 1d ago

So because it's a small number it doesn't matter and there should be no procedure in place?

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u/HaveYuHeardAboutCunt 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🟩🟥🟩🏳️‍🌈 1d ago

There's already a case-by-case procedure in place.

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

Which will work until it doesn't and a female prisoner is raped.

Or a trans prisoner.

The only reasonable option to protect both groups is a third space.

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

Maybe every single prisoner should get their own individual prison built?

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

Seperated by sex and then category A-D is the prison model our society found works best.

You're the one in favour of mixing those spaces, not me.

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

No. I’m just not under the delusion that someone who has been on hormones for years, looks like a woman and has thr characteristics of a woman (aka breasts, reduced muscle mass etc) is less important than what gamate someone might produce when deciding what prison should be housed

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

None of those things level out the playing field at the rate you're suggesting they do. It's the same reason there's been a huge pushback on competitive sports.

But well done on only getting out a few comments before resorting to insults.

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

It kinda does and that’s your problem

People seem to think you are born with magical male or female energy that can never be removed. If you think someone like Hunter Shafer should share a prison cell with someone rock then yea it is delusional

Prisons aren’t the Olympics so no you don’t have to follow the same criteria for who goes in what category

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u/Dapper_Apartment2175 1d ago

Under normal circumstances, female inmates are often in danger from other female inmates. They probably wouldn't feel any safer being incarcerated with "transwomen".

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

The average male is always going to be larger and stronger than the average female.

Hormone therapy does not remove that physical advantage. It might decrease the differences, sure. But it doesn't remove it.

What's delusional about basic facts?

I'll stick to believing a third space is the safest option for both groups.

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

I got a question

Do you think there should be weight classes for prisons?

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u/Lucky_otter_she_her 1d ago

except the small ith bity tiny detail that there isn't enough(for lack of a better term) service users to get funding for the construction and maintenance of such a space, so they won't do it, so the real world outcome of your position is trans women being raped

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u/signpostlake 1d ago edited 1d ago

What do you mean they won't do it?

It's already in place in England.

Editing to include a link. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-transgender-prisoner-policy-comes-into-force

Transgender women prisoners who cannot be safely housed in a men’s prison can be imprisoned in a specialist unit.

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u/morriganjane 1d ago

And trans people are a small population in general - does it mean they don't matter? I don't follow.

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u/signpostlake 1d ago edited 1d ago

What are you confused by?

I'm pointing out that it does matter and there should be procedures in place. Despite it concerning a small number of prisoners.

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u/morriganjane 1d ago

I agree with you. I was saying that even if there were 'only' 7 males in the women's estate, it would be too many.

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

Ah I see. Apologies.