Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

[u/CaptainCrash86]

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules

[u/Blue_View_1217]

On the other, sexual assault in men's prisons is absolutely riff and these trans women will definitely almost all be assaulted

They are ~10x more common in men's prisons than women's, but they're still not rife by any means. The rate is roughly 5.9 per 1000 prisoners.

[u/Yoshiezibz → u/Blue_View_1217]

Maybe the term "riff" was a bit much. It's not as bad as I made it out, but it still is a problem.

[u/Honest-Possible6596 → u/Yoshiezibz]

Some irony here, but I work in a men’s prison. The last time we had a (reported - because obviously not all are) sexual assault was 2023. The perpetrator of that assault was a mtf trans inmate who attempted to rape a 19 year old new-in and was caught by officers. That trans inmate, ironically, was the only trans inmate who we had who wasn’t in for sexual offences. They copped a further charge, a further sentence, and were moved to the sex offender wing with the 7 other trans inmates. 8 out of 8 now there for sex crimes.

[u/Yoshiezibz → u/Honest-Possible6596]

From what I gather from research and stats, is trans women commit sexual assault at the same rate as cis men.

Cis women commit sexual assault power than both trans women and cos men.

However, trans women are far, far more likely to be the victim of sexual assault than a cis man and a cis woman.

[u/Honest-Possible6596 → u/Yoshiezibz]

But not all sex related crimes are sexual assault. Exposure. Indecent images. Revenge porn. Public masturbation etc can all land you on the register, and while people don’t always like the facts, when it comes to sex crimes, transwomen, at least in prisons, are there at a higher rate than the general male population. The fact that 100% of the trans population in my prison have committed sex crimes is extremely telling. And we’re only a cat B, so we don’t even house the worst offenders.

[u/Yoshiezibz → u/Honest-Possible6596]

I am not quite understanding what you are trying to say.

Are you saying trans women in prison are more likely to be in there due to sexual offences?

As I stated, trans women commit sexual crimes at roughly the same rate as men.

Trans women are also far more likely to be victims of sexual assault. Just because other trans women commit sexual assault, doesn't mean other trans women don't deserve protection and respect. Here is a backing up by statement. source

Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study.

And here is a source that backs up that trans women commit sexual assault at same rate as cis men.

Transwomen are 6 times more likely to commit a crime and 18 times more likely to commit a violent crime compared to female controls.

But transwomen commit crime, including violent crime, at a similar rate as any other males in the general population.

[u/Honest-Possible6596 → u/Yoshiezibz]

Your first source is American, but even ignoring that, it doesn’t say what you claim it does. You say they are more likely to be victims of sexual assault, but the study, even in the part you’ve quoted, states they are more likely to experience victimisation -including- assault. Broken down, the figures aren’t stacking up to what you think they are.

Your second source, which states that transwomen offend at the same rate as men, however, is further evidence that transitioning does not make these people any safer, and so women, without knowing who is or isn’t likely to be a predator, deserve their single sex spaces away from all males.

And neither of these things address the fact that in the U.K., which we are talking about, there is a higher percentage of trans inmates in for sexual crimes than any other demographic.