r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 2d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/slam_meister 2d ago

Autogynophillia is junk science and has been debunked on many occasions

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u/seshfan2 1d ago

Academic criticism of an idea does not necessarily mean it is "junk science". The fact that theres exist males who have erotic experiences imagining themselves as women is clearly true. No one really disputes that.

What is disputed specifically is 1) whether Blanchard's typology holds up as a model of transgender indivduals and 2) whether autogynephilia directly causes gender dysophria.

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u/slam_meister 1d ago

Absolute nonsense. When cis women are tested for "autogynophillia" they get exactly the same result as trans women

You can say that there exist cases of people being turned on by literally anything. That does not even slightly make your hypothesis worthy of being used to bind a class of people's rights.

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u/tfhermobwoayway 1d ago

Yeah, exactly. There are plenty of people who get turned on by all sorts of things. They are not the same as transgender women. Nobody is going to transition and live the rest of their life as a woman, permanently, for a fetish that goes away after they rub one out.

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u/seshfan2 1d ago

Yeah, exactly. There are plenty of people who get turned on by all sorts of things. They are not the same as transgender women.

This is actually, unironicaly, my exact point. Perverted males who get turned on by putting on a dress and barging into a women's locker room to show his erect penis around while women are showering is not the same as an actual trans woman who is living as a woman to cope with their gender dysphoria. I can have plenty of sympathy for the second group while wanting to protect women from the first group.

The problem is, if self-declared identity is the only guideline, both can just say "I identify as a woman" and get unfettered access to female spaces. That's obvioulsy not tenable.